“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt right, because nobody jaywalks or speeds or murders people ever because all of those things are illegal... ::eyeroll::
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
Datacentre tech rushing back to the backpack lockers because the core switch just asked for age verification during the remote hands part of the total outage P1 incident.
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the US can’t implement gun registration in most jurisdictions because literally nobody complied with any of the attempts to enforce it but yeah sure we have to do age verification or else an entire industry built on our free software will switch to ??????
@zzt I guess this might be how Microsoft is planning to get out of its AI bubble financial troubles.
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I'm not Linux conversant enough to grok (oh fuck me, my phone keyboard now capitalises this word, and not in reference to Heinlein) why we won't have distros with it and distros not with it, and people/corp will run whatever?
Is it a systemd thing (again, I barely know what this is)?
Can't any part of the Linux that has the age thing be forked into something that hasn't?
@MrBerard the age verification code is already in systemd, a core component of most distros that owns the majority of the trusted boot chain and is designed to be very hard to fork, which tends to break other applications if you don’t keep up on updates
the current age verification code is designed to comply in advance with a California law, but age verification is under consideration for US and EU law almost in lockstep
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@MrBerard the age verification code is already in systemd, a core component of most distros that owns the majority of the trusted boot chain and is designed to be very hard to fork, which tends to break other applications if you don’t keep up on updates
the current age verification code is designed to comply in advance with a California law, but age verification is under consideration for US and EU law almost in lockstep
@MrBerard without solidarity, I can guarantee that your experience on an illegal distro developed under the radar will be extremely bad, though that’s a bit immaterial to be honest, as the point of this law isn’t to protect anyone but rather to provide an excuse for a fascist system to hurt you. thus, “can’t I just run a web browser on my thermostat”, yes and they’ll send men to your door the moment you do anything worthwhile with it
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@MrBerard without solidarity, I can guarantee that your experience on an illegal distro developed under the radar will be extremely bad, though that’s a bit immaterial to be honest, as the point of this law isn’t to protect anyone but rather to provide an excuse for a fascist system to hurt you. thus, “can’t I just run a web browser on my thermostat”, yes and they’ll send men to your door the moment you do anything worthwhile with it
@MrBerard there is a broad operational divide between the actions one can carry out in broad daylight vs the ones that must be carried out in secret. that’s the difference solidarity makes.
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@MrBerard the age verification code is already in systemd, a core component of most distros that owns the majority of the trusted boot chain and is designed to be very hard to fork, which tends to break other applications if you don’t keep up on updates
the current age verification code is designed to comply in advance with a California law, but age verification is under consideration for US and EU law almost in lockstep
@zzt @MrBerard "age verification code" is a bit of a grandiose term for a field that can store a value and retrieve a value. There is nothing anywhere in systemd that determines how (or even if) a distro decides what value to put into that field.
Even if it does get used by a distro, it is likely to be something along the lines of
"please enter your age. don't lie because that would be naughty > "when creating a new user account.
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@zzt @MrBerard "age verification code" is a bit of a grandiose term for a field that can store a value and retrieve a value. There is nothing anywhere in systemd that determines how (or even if) a distro decides what value to put into that field.
Even if it does get used by a distro, it is likely to be something along the lines of
"please enter your age. don't lie because that would be naughty > "when creating a new user account.
@losttourist @MrBerard i love it when the part of my OS that verifies secure boot has just an uwu little field in its database with my personal info and the rest of the OS will be ever so kind as to use the same kind of age gate as all the porn sites currently being sued by US states due to age verification laws
under no circumstances will I read the laws or the written intent of the people behind the implementation to find out it absolutely won’t stop there
you fucking idiot
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@zzt @MrBerard "age verification code" is a bit of a grandiose term for a field that can store a value and retrieve a value. There is nothing anywhere in systemd that determines how (or even if) a distro decides what value to put into that field.
Even if it does get used by a distro, it is likely to be something along the lines of
"please enter your age. don't lie because that would be naughty > "when creating a new user account.
@losttourist @zzt @MrBerard Only until it isn’t a free choice anymore. If the law requires cryptographically signed proof you’re as old as you claim, the people who obeyed in advance with the new age field will most likely comply again.
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@losttourist @zzt @MrBerard Only until it isn’t a free choice anymore. If the law requires cryptographically signed proof you’re as old as you claim, the people who obeyed in advance with the new age field will most likely comply again.
@schrotthaufen @zzt @MrBerard Yes, and? If people comply, then they comply. If they don't, they don't. That's literally the whole point, it's up to each individual server operator / user to decide if they wish to play ball or not.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification
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feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification
if your proof is that I should trust that the people currently complying will suddenly grow a backbone and it’s actually very punk rock to have a database field with PII in systemd: go fuck yourself
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if your proof is that I should trust that the people currently complying will suddenly grow a backbone and it’s actually very punk rock to have a database field with PII in systemd: go fuck yourself
also, is it not plainly fucking horrid that your account creation experience on linux of all fucking things is getting worse due to an unjust, unconstitutional (in the US) law? are you not pissed that muscle memory and scripts will break and command line account creation will get much worse due to this? no objections from the fuckers who campaign against any improvements to the status quo on this one? no? only when doing so fucks over someone else? how weird!
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt “software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like”
The entire industry is now betting everything on software that only (and barely) works if you act as if licenses and copyright laws don't really matter if your investors are big enough. -
“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt I wish I could display your message EVERYWHERE on the internet
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@MrBerard the age verification code is already in systemd, a core component of most distros that owns the majority of the trusted boot chain and is designed to be very hard to fork, which tends to break other applications if you don’t keep up on updates
the current age verification code is designed to comply in advance with a California law, but age verification is under consideration for US and EU law almost in lockstep
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@benjistokman @MrBerard did your loser ass miss my post about this https://mas.to/@zzt/116422074191875052 or were you just too busy capitulating to fascism to fucking read?
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt Strangely, no government wants to pass a law that says an OS has the *option* of offering an age attestation prompt at account creation, that websites and apps have the *option* of requesting an age-bracket signal, and that in any suit involving alleged harms to a minor, it is an affirmative defense on the part of the app/site that they received a signal indicating the user to be an adult. I mean, I can still see ways that could be bad, but it would push the whole deal a lot closer to workable and constitutional. (Like how we do movie ratings. They're not required by law and can't be.)
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also, is it not plainly fucking horrid that your account creation experience on linux of all fucking things is getting worse due to an unjust, unconstitutional (in the US) law? are you not pissed that muscle memory and scripts will break and command line account creation will get much worse due to this? no objections from the fuckers who campaign against any improvements to the status quo on this one? no? only when doing so fucks over someone else? how weird!
“it’s just a column in a database, aren’t you being dramatic” thanks fucker, believe it or not I know how software works and I know perfectly well the type of horrid crap we can build on top of a simple backend if it’s encapsulated in the right type of system
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt Genuine question: who uses systemd-userdbd? Because that's where this is implemented. Debian for sure doesn't use it by default (unless I missed something).
