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  • maj@cosocial.caM maj@cosocial.ca

    @raymaccarthy @Edent Yeah. Circa Jan-May 1994 I used a shared computer in the basement of UC Santa Barbara to try Mosaic for the first time.

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    #34

    @maj @Edent
    NCSA Mosaic was only released in 1993.

    We had it in 1994 for IoL & I still have the two discs.
    I & others wrote stories with some kind of Internet in the late 1980s. I even had tablets and hyper documents. See 1980s Apple Hypercard and FutureNet Schematic Capture which had hyperlinked files) inspired by Dynabook (1972) and Project Xanadu (1960).
    Forget SF. A mundane book in mid 1990s. Maybe a detective story. Common by 1998's movie "You've Got Mail"
    1972 Gutenberg
    1996 Nokia Phone

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      @maj @Edent
      NCSA Mosaic was only released in 1993.

      We had it in 1994 for IoL & I still have the two discs.
      I & others wrote stories with some kind of Internet in the late 1980s. I even had tablets and hyper documents. See 1980s Apple Hypercard and FutureNet Schematic Capture which had hyperlinked files) inspired by Dynabook (1972) and Project Xanadu (1960).
      Forget SF. A mundane book in mid 1990s. Maybe a detective story. Common by 1998's movie "You've Got Mail"
      1972 Gutenberg
      1996 Nokia Phone

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      #35

      @raymaccarthy @Edent I created a choose your own adventure game in Hypercard! It had a big map you unscrolled and everything! Good times.

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      • maj@cosocial.caM maj@cosocial.ca

        @kpl @Edent I read it in this collection.

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        #36

        @maj @Edent Me too! On a red eye flight, which was a bad idea because I was then just sitting there in the dark surrounded by sleeping people thinking about it for hours.

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        • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

          @maj @Edent
          NCSA Mosaic was only released in 1993.

          We had it in 1994 for IoL & I still have the two discs.
          I & others wrote stories with some kind of Internet in the late 1980s. I even had tablets and hyper documents. See 1980s Apple Hypercard and FutureNet Schematic Capture which had hyperlinked files) inspired by Dynabook (1972) and Project Xanadu (1960).
          Forget SF. A mundane book in mid 1990s. Maybe a detective story. Common by 1998's movie "You've Got Mail"
          1972 Gutenberg
          1996 Nokia Phone

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          #37

          @maj @Edent
          Not a novel / story, but written about 1993-1994 about the real internet & real early web browsers OTHerwise and Viola.
          https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/TimBook-old/History.html

          Only 500 www servers by end of 1993. 1994 was big year and home dialup with Mosiac. 10,000+ servers in 1994
          Original Win95 was no more Internet ready out of the box than 1993 versions of Win3.x / WFW3.x.

          I'm confident fiction will be in a book published in 1995 & maybe started in 1994 on romance or detective theme.
          Wire Romance in 19th C.

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          • raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie

            @khleedril @Edent
            No an LLM isn't good. The answer could be fictitious. Decent search is better, like DEC / Altavista invented.

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            #38

            @raymaccarthy @Edent I'm aware of what rubbish they are capable of. But they have access to the biggest database and of all ways of finding the first web reference this (probably) has the best chance of success (I mean, today, not in 1980).

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            • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

              Nerdsnipe time.

              What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

              I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

              Any ideas?

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              #39

              @Edent No idea, but I remember them mentioning it in Buffy!

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              • khleedril@cyberplace.socialK khleedril@cyberplace.social

                @Edent I hate myself for saying this as I abhor everything about LLMs, but this is exactly the sort of question they (or at least the infrastructure which supports them) would be good for. Except LLMs are not nerds...

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                #40

                @khleedril @Edent For my sins I tried asking ChatGPT.

                "There isn't a single universally agreed answer, because it depends on what you mean by "feature the World Wide Web."

                If you mean **the actual World Wide Web created by** Tim Berners-Lee (which became publicly available in 1991), then the earliest known fiction that explicitly incorporates the Web appears to be from **1993–1994**, when the Web was still very new. Literary historians haven't identified one clear "first" work that everyone accepts. ([Wikipedia][1]) by William Gibson envisioned a vast interconnected digital information space and is frequently credited with popularizing concepts that resemble the modern Web and cyberspace. citeturn0search4

                * by Vernor Vinge depicted immersive networked virtual worlds and online identities years before the Web. citeturn0search1
                * described a globally accessible information network that many readers later compared to the Web. to works such as (1981) or Neuromancer (1984), depending on the criteria used. ([Goodreads][2])

                [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb?utm_source=chatgpt.com "WorldWideWeb"
                [2]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25410471-true-names-and-the-opening-of-the-cyberspace-frontier?utm_source=chatgpt.com "True Names and the Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier by Vernor Vinge | Goodreads"

                Not convinced this is the thing that's going to cure cancer, guys...

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                • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                  Nerdsnipe time.

                  What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

                  I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

                  Any ideas?

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                  #41

                  @Edent I'm going to go out on a limb and guess either an X-Files episode or something for kids on PBS like GhostWriter.

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                  • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                    Nerdsnipe time.

                    What was the first work of fiction to feature the World Wide Web?

                    I don't mean some 1950's sci-fi with pan-Earth info system. I mean a story with a character literally visiting "www. something" on a computer.

                    Any ideas?

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                    #42

                    @Edent I want to say Microserfs, but there's got to be a book that mentions the web before that.

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                    • maj@cosocial.caM maj@cosocial.ca

                      @Edent I'm interested in the answer to your question but want to call out the 1909(!!) EM Forster short story, The Machine Stops, as being shockingly prescient about a world wide information network and the impact it has on life.

                      A must read.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops

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                      #43

                      @maj
                      Later turned into the movie Wall-E. It's close at least.
                      @Edent

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