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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

    I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

    What gives?

    Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

    I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

    rstub@digitalcourage.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    #16

    @_elena I have heard from several instance maintainers that maybe 80-90% of requests for an account are bots masquerading as real people.

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      @souverain actually with SLURP you can migrate your entire Mastodon post archive to GoToSocial... possibly snac too? @joel and @box464 have do it (Mastodon to GtS)

      wolkensteine@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW This user is from outside of this forum
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      #17

      @_elena @souverain @box464
      SLURP works with all instances that have a similar API to the one Mastodon has, so things like GoToSocial.

      SNAC2 seems to have a compatible API so this should work.

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      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

        Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

        I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

        What gives?

        Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

        I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

        saskia@backend.newsmast.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #18

        @_elena

        As a moderator of quite a few instances - yes!

        There's a huge spam wave at the moment and it's not slowing down. I no longer think it's a wave, I think this is just the spam sea rising 🌊

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        • rstub@digitalcourage.socialR rstub@digitalcourage.social

          @_elena I have heard from several instance maintainers that maybe 80-90% of requests for an account are bots masquerading as real people.

          _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #19

          @rstub same. I've also read that AI agents may be contributing to lots of signups, ughhhhhh

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          • saskia@backend.newsmast.orgS saskia@backend.newsmast.org

            @_elena

            As a moderator of quite a few instances - yes!

            There's a huge spam wave at the moment and it's not slowing down. I no longer think it's a wave, I think this is just the spam sea rising 🌊

            _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #20

            @saskia oh no 😭 thanks for letting me know Saskia. FYI I turned on manual approvals

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              @simonzerafa great point. I already have a self-hosted account - on GoToSocial - so I'm not really looking forward to migrating to it. I like the separation. But I turned on manual approvals just now

              simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #21

              @_elena

              Yes, You probably know more about this than I do, being a leading expert 🤗

              Many of the issues we see are from MS for moderation 🙄

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              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                What gives?

                Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                poindex76@social.vivaldi.netP This user is from outside of this forum
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                #22

                @_elena

                I know the admins on both of the instances I’m on spend an inordinate amount of time checking out accounts that want to join. It’s not automatic anymore, which is good for users and hard on admins. That’s why I support them with monthly donations.

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                • simonzerafa@infosec.exchangeS simonzerafa@infosec.exchange

                  @_elena

                  Yes, You probably know more about this than I do, being a leading expert 🤗

                  Many of the issues we see are from MS for moderation 🙄

                  wolkensteine@mastodon.wolkenheim.euW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #23

                  @simonzerafa @_elena
                  Sorry, with MS you mean Mastodon and not Microsoft, right?

                  Generally speaking, it not just mastodon.social having this problem – as you said – it is a problem of moderation, although it is especially on large Mastodon instances, since most bots can work with the API of mastodon but not something like Misskey or Pleroma.

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                    I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                    What gives?

                    Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                    I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                    _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    _elena@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #24

                    An update: I wonder if #agenticAI has anything to do with the uptick in suspicious, bot-like accounts that have been following me lately.

                    One such follower had picked as username "agent_test".

                    I like that I can manually remove them. I guess I'll need to go on a cleanup spree soon 🥲

                    And yes I turned on manual approvals...

                    renchap@oisaur.comR chrislowles@mastodon.socialC justinh@twit.socialJ pierre_pebble@mastodon.ieP skyblitz@kanoa.deS 7 Replies Last reply
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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                      I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                      What gives?

                      Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                      I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                      aleksei@social.fakeplastictrees.eeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #25

                      @_elena I only got one follower today, but their profile description suggested they could help me obtain unthinkable riches.

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                      • aleksei@social.fakeplastictrees.eeA aleksei@social.fakeplastictrees.ee

                        @_elena I only got one follower today, but their profile description suggested they could help me obtain unthinkable riches.

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                        #26

                        @aleksei I've noticed so many of these kinds lately - ughhhh. Bad Meta vibes

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                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                          Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                          I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                          What gives?

                          Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                          I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                          tomwor@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #27

                          @_elena Honest question: Whats the harm? As long as they are not spamming. We have all the tools at our disposal, blocking them, whole instances even.

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                          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                            An update: I wonder if #agenticAI has anything to do with the uptick in suspicious, bot-like accounts that have been following me lately.

                            One such follower had picked as username "agent_test".

                            I like that I can manually remove them. I guess I'll need to go on a cleanup spree soon 🥲

                            And yes I turned on manual approvals...

                            renchap@oisaur.comR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #28

                            @_elena it’s not new, it’s getting worse, and there is no real good way to detect this without impacting potential real users. It becomes easier when they start to spam, but when someone signs up you have, at best, an IP address (which is most often a random ISP somewhere in the world through a proxy/botnet) and an email address (recently, often from outlook.com). If you start mass-actikg on this you will very likely block real humans.

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                            • renchap@oisaur.comR renchap@oisaur.com

                              @_elena it’s not new, it’s getting worse, and there is no real good way to detect this without impacting potential real users. It becomes easier when they start to spam, but when someone signs up you have, at best, an IP address (which is most often a random ISP somewhere in the world through a proxy/botnet) and an email address (recently, often from outlook.com). If you start mass-actikg on this you will very likely block real humans.

                              _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #29

                              @renchap yup I completely understand.

                              I love all the options that Mastodon gives us - like turning on manual approvals, easily removing followers, etc.

                              I suppose I'll have to see these as bad weeds that I need to eradicate regularly while tending my lovely Fedi garden 🌿✂️ 💚

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                              • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                Wondering if the fediverse - and Mastodon in particular - is undergoing a major spam / bot signup wave at the moment.

                                I'm noticing an uptick in people following me who have weird usernames (lots of numbers), no profile photo, and 0 followers - I'd say 90% of new followers from the past week or two. (Disclaimer: I don't like the word "follower", it sounds cultish)

                                What gives?

                                Treasuring the human connections I've made here and this is a bit unsettling TBH.

                                I may turn on manual approvals 🥲

                                kastasmykolas@river.group.ltK This user is from outside of this forum
                                kastasmykolas@river.group.ltK This user is from outside of this forum
                                kastasmykolas@river.group.lt
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                                #30

                                @_elena it may vary from server to server, but im my personal circles it tends to indicate newbies in Fediverse 🙂 especially ones, who thought that You have to register for different instances and tools ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

                                On the wider circles, it may be, it may be. And during last couple of years or so, it definitely comes in waves.

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                                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                  @aleksei I've noticed so many of these kinds lately - ughhhh. Bad Meta vibes

                                  aleksei@social.fakeplastictrees.eeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #31

                                  @_elena what are they doing here, really? I'd imagine an average fedi user is somewhat nerdy and interested in tech, so these blatant spam attacks shouldn't be that effective. Yet these attacks happen again and again, so they should be getting something in return 🤷

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                                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                    An update: I wonder if #agenticAI has anything to do with the uptick in suspicious, bot-like accounts that have been following me lately.

                                    One such follower had picked as username "agent_test".

                                    I like that I can manually remove them. I guess I'll need to go on a cleanup spree soon 🥲

                                    And yes I turned on manual approvals...

                                    chrislowles@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #32

                                    @_elena Tbh, not sure why they'd be making accounts if they can already scrape logged out, unless it's for getting more info as logged in "users". Weird way of going about it, I'd've just messed with some AP-oriented API not half ass it like this lmao

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                                    • aleksei@social.fakeplastictrees.eeA aleksei@social.fakeplastictrees.ee

                                      @_elena what are they doing here, really? I'd imagine an average fedi user is somewhat nerdy and interested in tech, so these blatant spam attacks shouldn't be that effective. Yet these attacks happen again and again, so they should be getting something in return 🤷

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                                      #33

                                      @aleksei consuming resources of those servers where they sign up? I don't know, really...

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                                      • kastasmykolas@river.group.ltK kastasmykolas@river.group.lt

                                        @_elena it may vary from server to server, but im my personal circles it tends to indicate newbies in Fediverse 🙂 especially ones, who thought that You have to register for different instances and tools ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

                                        On the wider circles, it may be, it may be. And during last couple of years or so, it definitely comes in waves.

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                                        #34

                                        @KasTasMykolas true but some of these people have a name followed by a long string of numbers or random characters, no profile picture and no activity. from my dead bird site days (rip twitter), they make me think of spam accounts

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                                        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                                          @KasTasMykolas true but some of these people have a name followed by a long string of numbers or random characters, no profile picture and no activity. from my dead bird site days (rip twitter), they make me think of spam accounts

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                                          #35

                                          @_elena and these are easy to notice 🙂 Generating "human-like" username and profile picture is not that difficult.

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