Look, I'm glad we're having a conversation about the hypocrisy of the legal logic used by America's gun nuts.
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@SeanCasten Just ask Philando Castile.
@Twotired exactly right
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And given the size and power of the US military (esp as compared to our founding era when we neither had a standing army nor the tax system to pay for it) it also doesn't make any sense to suggest Congress might need to call up well regulated militias to defend against foreign invasion.
And given the size and power of the US military (esp as compared to our founding era when we neither had a standing army nor the tax system to pay for it)
And strong objections to having one at all. Several of the founding fathers wrote on this subject and it was quite controversial when the US eventually did get a standing army. Unfortunately, modern warfare requires sufficient training (and has enough specialised rôles) that a standing army is necessary if you face possible attack from a country that has one.
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@SeanCasten Isn't the national guard the well-regulated militia? Cause they were called as much as the "regular" military to fight abroad. Sometimes moreso.
Not necessarily. In Illinois the militia still exists , separate from the guard. It hasn't had an actual, official role or, even people, for probably over a century. Nowadays it is used to grant symbolic status to Civil War re-enactors and living history buffs.
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'cause they don't want to be a well regulated militia. They just want the right to kill people who they, in their sole discretion deem to be domestic insurrectionists. Is that what they say? No. But as the old saw goes: watch their feet, not their lips. /fin
Postscript: Here are two people who brought guns to a protest and are not only still alive, but were subsequently invited to speak at the 2020 RNC. The fact that this protest was in support of George Floyd does not imply a contradiction in the gun nut world view.
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Look, I'm glad we're having a conversation about the hypocrisy of the legal logic used by America's gun nuts. But can we stop pretending this is a new thing? They have never advocated for universal access to firearms. They only want their team to be armed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/25/alex-pretti-gun-debate-second-amendment/
@SeanCasten I don't think that gun folks would generally be happy with a campaign to arm the homeless.
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Not necessarily. In Illinois the militia still exists , separate from the guard. It hasn't had an actual, official role or, even people, for probably over a century. Nowadays it is used to grant symbolic status to Civil War re-enactors and living history buffs.
@deedeeque We used to have that in Alabama. I was an officer in it for 8 years. We were take too our local e EMA, and and took care of armories when the NG was deployed. The big difference was we couldn't be federalized. @SeanCasten
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To suggest that there is some intellectual inconsistency between an ideology that says it's OK if George Zimmerman and Kyle Rittenhouse shoot people in the street but a capital crime if Alex Pretti is carrying is to assume that their stated policy is their actual logic. It ain't.
@SeanCasten@mastodon.social FWIW, I’m not interested in calling the NRA out in their hyprocrisy because I think it will make them uncomfortable, let alone change them. I mean, I hope for at least some discomfort, but it’s not the point.
The point is for all the people who hear their stated policy and believe it to go through that discomfort. Most won’t have a problem, but some will, and that’s fewer people to give them money and fuel their lobbying engine. It’s fewer people that see them as an authority or at all respectable.
Pointing out hypocrisy won’t change the hypocrites, but it can show people who haven’t paid attention who the hypocrites are.
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Postscript: Here are two people who brought guns to a protest and are not only still alive, but were subsequently invited to speak at the 2020 RNC. The fact that this protest was in support of George Floyd does not imply a contradiction in the gun nut world view.
Halloween 2020
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Postscript: Here are two people who brought guns to a protest and are not only still alive, but were subsequently invited to speak at the 2020 RNC. The fact that this protest was in support of George Floyd does not imply a contradiction in the gun nut world view.
Here's one more protester that brought a gun to a protest and shot a couple of people and killed one.
In prison? Nope. He's doing great as a right wing media star.
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Postscript: Here are two people who brought guns to a protest and are not only still alive, but were subsequently invited to speak at the 2020 RNC. The fact that this protest was in support of George Floyd does not imply a contradiction in the gun nut world view.
@SeanCasten They didn't bring guns to a protest. They aimed guns *at* a protest.
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Postscript: Here are two people who brought guns to a protest and are not only still alive, but were subsequently invited to speak at the 2020 RNC. The fact that this protest was in support of George Floyd does not imply a contradiction in the gun nut world view.
@SeanCasten I love your commentary, all the time, and would ask that you start adding alt tags. Images with alt tags are just black boxes to screen readers. Something is there, but that’s all the info you get.
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Look, I'm glad we're having a conversation about the hypocrisy of the legal logic used by America's gun nuts. But can we stop pretending this is a new thing? They have never advocated for universal access to firearms. They only want their team to be armed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/25/alex-pretti-gun-debate-second-amendment/
@SeanCasten I believe the only core Republican belief is "I want what I want." Any arguments used for what they want are true at that time and discarded later.
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@cjhubbs I wonder if this is more obvious to people outside of the US maybe? Like maybe if I had been raised with this mythic understanding of the US as a level playing field or whatever...
Not sure I'm the right one for a regular outsider's view on what's happening there. Seems to me that the US is now run, ruled and governed by people seeking to re-establish the Confederacy. The majority, if not all, in states like AL where the white supremacists run the show and seemingly most of the south. At the other extreme, say MN, the racist sentiment is still a strong voice, even if a minority.
Expect no logic from White Nationalists; their entire ideology is idiotic
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Look, I'm glad we're having a conversation about the hypocrisy of the legal logic used by America's gun nuts. But can we stop pretending this is a new thing? They have never advocated for universal access to firearms. They only want their team to be armed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/25/alex-pretti-gun-debate-second-amendment/
@SeanCasten For those who have not done so read Federalist 29. It was Hamilton's comments on the discussion on the floor as it pertained to the 2A. It is very simple; 'whether to have a standing army or militia', nothing about hearth or home. That training, outfitting & arming of the militia was to be done by the US gov for consistency. Officers were to be supplied by states. To my mind he is talking about a natl.guard, that they must be armed, not for self protection but for all.
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Postscript: Here are two people who brought guns to a protest and are not only still alive, but were subsequently invited to speak at the 2020 RNC. The fact that this protest was in support of George Floyd does not imply a contradiction in the gun nut world view.
@SeanCasten Rep. Casten as you know they don’t need to be consistent in 2A or anything else. There are millions of law abiding liberal gun owners. The “gun nuts” as you call them are the MAGA that DHS is recruiting. I already own firearms and with ICE/DHS/CPB forcibly entering homes without a warrant or probable cause, I am upping my game. People who own firearms are not “gun nuts” - that is a MAGA problem. #selfdefense #liberalgunowners #armyourfriends #2AforAll
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Postscript: Here are two people who brought guns to a protest and are not only still alive, but were subsequently invited to speak at the 2020 RNC. The fact that this protest was in support of George Floyd does not imply a contradiction in the gun nut world view.
Not only "brought guns," but brandished them at protestors. That woman's finger is on the trigger.
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1) to enforce the laws of the US; 2) to defend against foreign invasions and 3) to suppress domestic insurrections. The folks who wrote this had direct, recent experience with Shay's Rebellion, the Revolutionary War and lived in constant fear of slave rebellions. 1, 2 and 3 respectively.
@SeanCasten Rep. Casten everyone in my state is, by law, a member of the militia. Legal precedent says that militia means the National Guard. You don’t like how 2A has been interpreted to mean there is an individual right to own firearms but that is *irrelevant* now. The question is whether the People can exercise those rights for #selfdefense in the face of tyrannical 4A and 1A violations. That is the question that you and other leaders must address.
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But the fear of "domestic insurrectionists" from Denmark Vesey to the Black Panthers is still there. And it's not accidental that the Scalia court ruled in Heller that the first 13 words of 2A are "merely prefatory" and no longer apply.
@SeanCasten you had me jumping on to Wikipedia for Denmark Vesey. Didn't learn THAT in school. Thank you.
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@SeanCasten They didn't bring guns to a protest. They aimed guns *at* a protest.
@maccruiskeen @SeanCasten
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Look, I'm glad we're having a conversation about the hypocrisy of the legal logic used by America's gun nuts. But can we stop pretending this is a new thing? They have never advocated for universal access to firearms. They only want their team to be armed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/25/alex-pretti-gun-debate-second-amendment/
@SeanCasten Also, the “anti-tyranny” gun zealots are the same ones jumping to cosplay military with ICE.
