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  3. People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump.

People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump.

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  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

    People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

    PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

    Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

    VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

    libramoon@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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    libramoon@mastodon.social
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #5

    @drahardja

    if enough of us wrote/emailed/phoned/screamed outside their office to our congressional reps to IMPEACH or face voter outrage leading to being voted out, and kept it up, we could regain our democracy

    https://5calls.org

    citizensimpeachment.com/

    https://couragefordemocracy.com/#candidates

    https://vote.gov/register

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/current

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    • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

      People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

      PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

      Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

      VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

      kgw@cosocial.caK This user is from outside of this forum
      kgw@cosocial.caK This user is from outside of this forum
      kgw@cosocial.ca
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #6

      @drahardja A victory for Hungary and the EU, a lifeline for Ukraine, another nail in Trump's coffin and an overdue setback for Putin. Great news!

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      • npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
        npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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        #7

        7/

        28. Sherrilyn Fisher $13,299,894
        29. David Millstone $13,413,486
        30. Lynne Walton $13,037,750
        31. Charles Schwab $12,801,600
        32. Stephen Wynn $12,518,750
        33. Anthony Lomangino $9,529,705
        34. J. Christopher Reyes $9,536,425
        35. Jay Winters Faison $9,084,324
        36. James Davis $8,497,854
        37. John W. Childs $8,694,286
        38. Patricia Duggan $8,446,099
        39. Richard G. Haworth $7,500,800
        40. Marc J. Rowan $8,721,299
        41. Jeffrey Specher, Kelly Loeffler $7,052,013
        42. John L. Nau III $7,030,556

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        • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

          7/

          28. Sherrilyn Fisher $13,299,894
          29. David Millstone $13,413,486
          30. Lynne Walton $13,037,750
          31. Charles Schwab $12,801,600
          32. Stephen Wynn $12,518,750
          33. Anthony Lomangino $9,529,705
          34. J. Christopher Reyes $9,536,425
          35. Jay Winters Faison $9,084,324
          36. James Davis $8,497,854
          37. John W. Childs $8,694,286
          38. Patricia Duggan $8,446,099
          39. Richard G. Haworth $7,500,800
          40. Marc J. Rowan $8,721,299
          41. Jeffrey Specher, Kelly Loeffler $7,052,013
          42. John L. Nau III $7,030,556

          npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
          npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
          npars01@mstdn.social
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #8

          8/

          43. John & Shannon V. Addison $6,757,065
          44. Robert H. Book $6,986,387
          45. Susan Fox $6,687,414
          46. Patricia Perkins-Leone $6,606,600
          47. Jeffrey Hildebrand $6,508,389
          48. Bernard Marcus $9,397,150
          49. Steve Brodie $6,481,298
          50. Daniel Newlin $6,063,928
          51. Trevor D. Rees-Jones $5,765,124
          52. Ross & Sarah Perot $5,643,416
          53. Harold C. Simmons $5,596,530
          54. Kelly Navarro $5,373,100
          55. Alice Walton $10,248,000
          56. Rob Granieri $5,587,899

          https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors

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          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

            People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

            PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

            Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

            VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

            thenovemberman@bookstodon.comT This user is from outside of this forum
            thenovemberman@bookstodon.comT This user is from outside of this forum
            thenovemberman@bookstodon.com
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #9

            @drahardja 👍💯👍

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            • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

              8/

              43. John & Shannon V. Addison $6,757,065
              44. Robert H. Book $6,986,387
              45. Susan Fox $6,687,414
              46. Patricia Perkins-Leone $6,606,600
              47. Jeffrey Hildebrand $6,508,389
              48. Bernard Marcus $9,397,150
              49. Steve Brodie $6,481,298
              50. Daniel Newlin $6,063,928
              51. Trevor D. Rees-Jones $5,765,124
              52. Ross & Sarah Perot $5,643,416
              53. Harold C. Simmons $5,596,530
              54. Kelly Navarro $5,373,100
              55. Alice Walton $10,248,000
              56. Rob Granieri $5,587,899

              https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/biggest-donors

              cdarwin@c.imC This user is from outside of this forum
              cdarwin@c.imC This user is from outside of this forum
              cdarwin@c.im
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #10

              @Npars01
              Who are the biggest doners?
              @mastoreaderio unroll please

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              • cdarwin@c.imC cdarwin@c.im

                @Npars01
                Who are the biggest doners?
                @mastoreaderio unroll please

                mastoreaderio@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                mastoreaderio@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                mastoreaderio@mastodon.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #11

                @cdarwin here's the unrolled thread: https://mastoreader.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fc.im%2F%40cdarwin%2F116394673361342000

                Next time, kindly set the visibility to 'Mentioned people only' and mention only me (@mastoreaderio). This ensures we avoid spamming others' timelines and threads unless you intend for others to see the unrolled thread link as well.

                Thank you!

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                • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                  People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                  PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                  Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                  VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

                  emerson61@toot.communityE This user is from outside of this forum
                  emerson61@toot.communityE This user is from outside of this forum
                  emerson61@toot.community
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #12

                  @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

                  drahardja@sfba.socialD maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mab_813@fedi.atM 4 Replies Last reply
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                  • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                    @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

                    drahardja@sfba.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #13

                    @Emerson61 I will vote for Newsom if that’s the alternative I’m given.

                    Here’s my perspective: https://sfba.social/@drahardja/116377823558685082

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                    • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                      @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

                      maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
                      maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
                      maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #14

                      @Emerson61 @drahardja I would bet money (but not on Polymarkets) that Pritzker runs in 2028. But that doesn't really matter now. 2028 is far away. We should be focusing on the midterms and flipping as many R seats as possible.

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                      • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                        @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

                        mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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                        #15

                        @Emerson61 @drahardja

                        Absurd. There will be a Democratic Primary. It will be riveting and get the entire nation fired up. The best candidate will win the nomination and crush the Republican candidate.

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                        • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                          @Emerson61 @drahardja I would bet money (but not on Polymarkets) that Pritzker runs in 2028. But that doesn't really matter now. 2028 is far away. We should be focusing on the midterms and flipping as many R seats as possible.

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                          #16

                          @maccruiskeen @Emerson61 @drahardja

                          He will certainly run. We will see if he is any good. The best candidate will prevail. That's the way the primaries work.

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                          • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                            People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                            PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                            Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                            VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

                            evelynoctavia@c.imE This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #17

                            @drahardja first, good job to hungarian people! Second, if they can do it, then the US citizens can as well. Good luck for the 3rd November midterm elections!

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                            • emerson61@toot.communityE emerson61@toot.community

                              @drahardja I think most people's problem isn't that they think Trump won't leave office via an election, it's that the DNC doesn't have a democratic primary process and they are just going to run Gavin Newsom, who will win probably, and while better than Trump, we're looking at a marginally better rightwing president whether he or JD wins 2028, making it seem like voting doesn't matter -- the choice is oligarch-aligned rightwinger vs oligarch-aligned rightwinger at the end of the day as always.

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                              #18

                              @Emerson61 @drahardja

                              Do you think TISZA has a democratic primary process??
                              TISZA gave party members the choice between three predetermined candidates in each district. (Just check their wikipedia site). The Democratic party in the USA is more democratic and open than that.

                              Also Newsom is to the left of Magyar (and I hate Newsom, he's awful).

                              And several leftist parties decided to not run at all in order to unify opposition votes in Hungary.

                              But some leftist US Americans would rather endlessly complain about Democrats' primary process without realizing how lucky you are because you actually do get to choose your candidates in primaries. That's not the standard everywhere!

                              Hungarian leftists were pragmatic instead of choosing perfection, that's how they got rid of Orbán.

                              #Hungary #USpol #Magyar #Newsom

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                              • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                @Emerson61 I will vote for Newsom if that’s the alternative I’m given.

                                Here’s my perspective: https://sfba.social/@drahardja/116377823558685082

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                                #19

                                @drahardja @Emerson61 And Newsom is a fine example of why the primaries are so very important because we really do not want that used car salesman.

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                                • mab_813@fedi.atM mab_813@fedi.at

                                  @Emerson61 @drahardja

                                  Do you think TISZA has a democratic primary process??
                                  TISZA gave party members the choice between three predetermined candidates in each district. (Just check their wikipedia site). The Democratic party in the USA is more democratic and open than that.

                                  Also Newsom is to the left of Magyar (and I hate Newsom, he's awful).

                                  And several leftist parties decided to not run at all in order to unify opposition votes in Hungary.

                                  But some leftist US Americans would rather endlessly complain about Democrats' primary process without realizing how lucky you are because you actually do get to choose your candidates in primaries. That's not the standard everywhere!

                                  Hungarian leftists were pragmatic instead of choosing perfection, that's how they got rid of Orbán.

                                  #Hungary #USpol #Magyar #Newsom

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                                  #20

                                  @Mab_813 @Emerson61 @drahardja The disdain you have comes from not being present to watch how it happens in practice.

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                                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                                    People minimizing Orbán’s defeat in #Hungary through voting, and claiming that the same can’t be done to Donald Trump: Remember that Orbán was in power for SIXTEEN YEARS, that is, 2.5× LONGER than Trump. He had more than twice the time Trump has had to intimidate, corrupt, and destroy Hungary’s systems of voting. And yet, voting unseated him.

                                    PLEASE do not preemptively give up on voting. Voting still works in the US, and it is quite likely that our voting infrastructure will far outlive Trump and his destructive party.

                                    Authoritarians rely on a perceived popular mandate to continue their abuse. Voting can decisively deny them that mandate. Do not give up prematurely.

                                    VOTE. VOTE. VOTE.

                                    linza@kamu.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    linza@kamu.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #21

                                    @drahardja Voting would work in the US with an audit trail, requirement to count mail-in ballots, paper ballots instead of electronic, and giving everyone back their right to vote. Everyone, which is to say, including citizens with a felony conviction.

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                                    • linza@kamu.socialL linza@kamu.social

                                      @drahardja Voting would work in the US with an audit trail, requirement to count mail-in ballots, paper ballots instead of electronic, and giving everyone back their right to vote. Everyone, which is to say, including citizens with a felony conviction.

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                                      #22

                                      @drahardja All of these are achievable in a single cycle with the proper application of guillotine.

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