Skip to content
  • Hjem
  • Seneste
  • Etiketter
  • Populære
  • Verden
  • Bruger
  • Grupper
Temaer
  • Light
  • Brite
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Kollaps
FARVEL BIG TECH
  1. Forside
  2. Ikke-kategoriseret
  3. Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

Planlagt Fastgjort Låst Flyttet Ikke-kategoriseret
101 Indlæg 68 Posters 345 Visninger
  • Ældste til nyeste
  • Nyeste til ældste
  • Most Votes
Svar
  • Svar som emne
Login for at svare
Denne tråd er blevet slettet. Kun brugere med emne behandlings privilegier kan se den.
  • morqendi@mstdn.socialM morqendi@mstdn.social

    @tomtom @ShadSterling @romli @hamishb @emilymbender

    Even easier:

    https://noai.duckduckgo.com/

    Enjoy! 😊

    #NoAI

    S This user is from outside of this forum
    S This user is from outside of this forum
    shadsterling@mastodon.social
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #86

    @morqendi @tomtom @romli @hamishb @emilymbender the only time I use Google is when DDG results are useless so I prepend with “g! ” to try Google, and even the noai version doesn’t append “ -ai” so I still get the AI overview and an actual setting would still help.

    I’ll try to remember to try prepending with “g! -ai “, but that’s not an acceptable way for them to interpret “opt out”

    saufian@framapiaf.orgS 1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      Not satisfied to cut people off from the important sense-making of looking at information in its context and finding and navigating different perspectives (what "AI overviews" do), Google also wants to tell you what to search for:

      >>

      wizardofdocs@wandering.shopW This user is from outside of this forum
      wizardofdocs@wandering.shopW This user is from outside of this forum
      wizardofdocs@wandering.shop
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #87

      @emilymbender you know, I was just thinking

      Google gave up on "don't be evil" at least a decade ago

      while I worked there about five years ago, they gave up on "respect the user, respect the opportunity, respect each other"

      now they seem to have given up on "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful"

      I hate that my livelihood is still tied to them.

      1 Reply Last reply
      0
      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

        >>

        oldoldcojote@climatejustice.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
        oldoldcojote@climatejustice.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
        oldoldcojote@climatejustice.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #88

        @emilymbender

        Yup

        1 Reply Last reply
        0
        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          NO NO NO NO NO! Flashy polished looking webpages that no one has accountability for run absolutely counter to the common good when it comes to a health information ecosystem AND an informed public.

          (Also, "Antigravity"? Yeah, you want us to think this is very cool science fiction and/or magic. Not buying it.)

          >>

          theogrin@chaosfem.twT This user is from outside of this forum
          theogrin@chaosfem.twT This user is from outside of this forum
          theogrin@chaosfem.tw
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #89

          @emilymbender

          Thank you for this thread and breakdown!

          Antigravity is a fantastic name, though. A concept directly contrary to observable reality which can never provide what it purports to do, but which demands infinite money to research and build a la a Perpetual Motion machine? Perfect, and I look forward to them naming their future confidence tricks in a similar manner.

          Google Phlogiston. Google Luminous Aether. Google Phrenology.

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

            >>

            wnd@fosstodon.orgW This user is from outside of this forum
            wnd@fosstodon.orgW This user is from outside of this forum
            wnd@fosstodon.org
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #90

            @emilymbender I think jwz has opinions on links becoming "an afterthought"

            https://www.jwz.org/blog/2026/05/links/

            1 Reply Last reply
            0
            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              Spot the magical thinking here. No, the "AI" isn't making sense of anything. It's making papier-mache of the input, and preventing the use from doing the sense-making.

              Also, is that the Pokemon sense of "evolution"?

              >>

              gaditb@icosahedron.websiteG This user is from outside of this forum
              gaditb@icosahedron.websiteG This user is from outside of this forum
              gaditb@icosahedron.website
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #91

              @emilymbender Traded while holding a
              https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dubious_Disc

              1 Reply Last reply
              0
              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                Here is where it really starts to show that this journalist is just lightly paraphrasing a press release. "Links will become an afterthought," will they? What is your evidence for that confident statement about the future?

                >>

                jcolag@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                jcolag@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                jcolag@mastodon.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #92

                @emilymbender What I especially like about "links will become an afterthought" is that the author outed himself as not bothering to click through on his research...

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • S shadsterling@mastodon.social

                  @morqendi @tomtom @romli @hamishb @emilymbender the only time I use Google is when DDG results are useless so I prepend with “g! ” to try Google, and even the noai version doesn’t append “ -ai” so I still get the AI overview and an actual setting would still help.

                  I’ll try to remember to try prepending with “g! -ai “, but that’s not an acceptable way for them to interpret “opt out”

                  saufian@framapiaf.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
                  saufian@framapiaf.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
                  saufian@framapiaf.org
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #93

                  @ShadSterling @morqendi @tomtom @romli @hamishb @emilymbender
                  For these search cases, I use the DDG bang "sp!"
                  This way, it does the research on StartPage, which is some kind of anonymous and no-AI google page.

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  0
                  • lcwander@toot.communityL lcwander@toot.community

                    @hamishb @emilymbender the best opt-out mode is using another search engine. Google search enshittification has been going on for at least 5 years. At this point it is just masochism to use it.

                    jonben@social.spejset.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    jonben@social.spejset.orgJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    jonben@social.spejset.org
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #94

                    @lcwander @hamishb @emilymbender I'm genuinly surprised people still use Google for search, tbh.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    0
                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      Wow some terrible reporting about Google's latest horrible ideas about how to distort information access in the name of "convenience" (or something):

                      https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/19/google-search-as-you-know-it-is-over/

                      A short thread
                      🧵>>

                      marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
                      marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
                      marjolica@social.linux.pizza
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #95

                      @emilymbender "Google Search as you know it is over".

                      Easily shortened with no loss of information to "Google Search is over". It's really time for them to stop pretending Google is a search engine anymore.

                      I do wonder what running genAI on all their queries is already costing them and how that will only grow per user, though I can only guess how they are going to try and recover that cost.

                      Meanwhile I can see a lot of websites opting out of paying the Google advertisers tax and starting to set a google noindex tag.

                      marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM 1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM marjolica@social.linux.pizza

                        @emilymbender "Google Search as you know it is over".

                        Easily shortened with no loss of information to "Google Search is over". It's really time for them to stop pretending Google is a search engine anymore.

                        I do wonder what running genAI on all their queries is already costing them and how that will only grow per user, though I can only guess how they are going to try and recover that cost.

                        Meanwhile I can see a lot of websites opting out of paying the Google advertisers tax and starting to set a google noindex tag.

                        marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
                        marjolica@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
                        marjolica@social.linux.pizza
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #96

                        @emilymbender at the same time as this presentation there was also one to presenting their ideas fror their real business, selling advertising.

                        Link to an article covering this in @urlyman 's post.

                        https://social.linux.pizza/deck/@urlyman@mastodon.social/116608212030886177

                        From the article itself:
                        "Google is betting its entire future on a world where people eagerly hand over their emails, their files, their habits, and their trust – to an AI system that will quietly auction off their attention, word by word, to the highest bidder. The ad infrastructure is ready. The question is whether the audience is."

                        https://matthiasott.com/notes/ad-infinitum

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        0
                        • hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH This user is from outside of this forum
                          hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH This user is from outside of this forum
                          hazelnot@sunbeam.city
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #97

                          @thejessiekirk @emilymbender costs money to use so it is and going to stay very niche

                          It also has AI bullshit too so their marketing doesn't even hold

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          0
                          • hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH This user is from outside of this forum
                            hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH This user is from outside of this forum
                            hazelnot@sunbeam.city
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #98

                            @thejessiekirk @emilymbender my point is that not everyone can afford an extra subscription every month, and even for people who can it's hard to convince them that a search engine is worth paying for when there's other alternatives like DuckDuckGo around, which yeah, maybe they're worse, but there free, they require two fewer mental roadblocks

                            I pay for my email provider and every year around the time when I need to pay the fee I get a lot of anxiety around that, not knowing how bad it's going to be for my finances and savings and stuff. And that's only 12€ *per year*.

                            This is 10 times more expensive, and not everyone works in tech and get paid relatively massive sums of money like apparently 75+% of fedi does.

                            thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT 1 Reply Last reply
                            0
                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              How infantilizing --- you thought you were looking to find something that someone else wrote on the web. But woah! Now you've been "dropped into" an "interactive experience". Yeah, Google can just fuck right off with that.

                              >>

                              wbpeckham@techhub.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                              wbpeckham@techhub.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
                              wbpeckham@techhub.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #99

                              @emilymbender Use no Google before its time. (It will NEVER be its time!)

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              0
                              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                More stenography here. Google starting shoving the "AI Overviews" into query results as an opt-out situation. That is, you have to take action to have them not pop up. I don't doubt they are *shown to* 2.5 billion monthly users, but that doesn't mean they are used by as many or desired by them.

                                >>

                                excelanalytics@mastodon.worldE This user is from outside of this forum
                                excelanalytics@mastodon.worldE This user is from outside of this forum
                                excelanalytics@mastodon.world
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #100

                                @emilymbender
                                Is monthly the same as weekly × 4?

                                1 Reply Last reply
                                0
                                • hazelnot@sunbeam.cityH hazelnot@sunbeam.city

                                  @thejessiekirk @emilymbender my point is that not everyone can afford an extra subscription every month, and even for people who can it's hard to convince them that a search engine is worth paying for when there's other alternatives like DuckDuckGo around, which yeah, maybe they're worse, but there free, they require two fewer mental roadblocks

                                  I pay for my email provider and every year around the time when I need to pay the fee I get a lot of anxiety around that, not knowing how bad it's going to be for my finances and savings and stuff. And that's only 12€ *per year*.

                                  This is 10 times more expensive, and not everyone works in tech and get paid relatively massive sums of money like apparently 75+% of fedi does.

                                  thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  thejessiekirk@ohai.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
                                  thejessiekirk@ohai.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #101

                                  @hazelnot Okay. @emilymbender

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  0
                                  • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social shared this topic
                                  Svar
                                  • Svar som emne
                                  Login for at svare
                                  • Ældste til nyeste
                                  • Nyeste til ældste
                                  • Most Votes


                                  • Log ind

                                  • Har du ikke en konto? Tilmeld

                                  • Login or register to search.
                                  Powered by NodeBB Contributors
                                  Graciously hosted by data.coop
                                  • First post
                                    Last post
                                  0
                                  • Hjem
                                  • Seneste
                                  • Etiketter
                                  • Populære
                                  • Verden
                                  • Bruger
                                  • Grupper