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  3. Increasingly angry so many people are happy to say "well what did you expect, is anyone surprised by this, why don't you have backup plans, it's your own fault," whenever a corporate IT system wrecks somebody's life for clicking the wrong button.

Increasingly angry so many people are happy to say "well what did you expect, is anyone surprised by this, why don't you have backup plans, it's your own fault," whenever a corporate IT system wrecks somebody's life for clicking the wrong button.

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    Increasingly angry so many people are happy to say "well what did you expect, is anyone surprised by this, why don't you have backup plans, it's your own fault," whenever a corporate IT system wrecks somebody's life for clicking the wrong button. It's sanctimonious victim blaming and it's one hundred percent bullshit, a symptom of a deeply immature industry getting permission to fuck up from an army of deeply immature people.

    Reflexively shilling for corporate negligence should humiliate you.

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      Increasingly angry so many people are happy to say "well what did you expect, is anyone surprised by this, why don't you have backup plans, it's your own fault," whenever a corporate IT system wrecks somebody's life for clicking the wrong button. It's sanctimonious victim blaming and it's one hundred percent bullshit, a symptom of a deeply immature industry getting permission to fuck up from an army of deeply immature people.

      Reflexively shilling for corporate negligence should humiliate you.

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      #2

      Industrial paper cutters will glide through bone like putty. Hobart mixers can easily pull an arm off. But somehow it's _impossible_ to hurt yourself with those things accidentally, and there are a million other examples out there of heavy, fast-moving, razor sharp tools running red hot all day every day, operated safely by people with half a grade school education because we decided that guardrails and safety interlocks are better for society than saying "I told you so" over and over again.

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        Industrial paper cutters will glide through bone like putty. Hobart mixers can easily pull an arm off. But somehow it's _impossible_ to hurt yourself with those things accidentally, and there are a million other examples out there of heavy, fast-moving, razor sharp tools running red hot all day every day, operated safely by people with half a grade school education because we decided that guardrails and safety interlocks are better for society than saying "I told you so" over and over again.

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        But somehow out here there are computer-touchers willing to look at an incident where somebody clicks one checkbox in error and loses years of their professional life, and say "well it's your fault for reasons?"

        What would it take, in your head, for you to believe the company that built that checkbox, that owns every byte of code and all the infrastructure behind it, have a duty of care? That maybe that company has a positive moral obligation to people, and even - gasp - society?

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          Increasingly angry so many people are happy to say "well what did you expect, is anyone surprised by this, why don't you have backup plans, it's your own fault," whenever a corporate IT system wrecks somebody's life for clicking the wrong button. It's sanctimonious victim blaming and it's one hundred percent bullshit, a symptom of a deeply immature industry getting permission to fuck up from an army of deeply immature people.

          Reflexively shilling for corporate negligence should humiliate you.

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          #4

          @mhoye
          Kelly Shortridge wrote something like:

          > "we can't blame users for clicking on things on the thing-clicking machine."

          More than once security has lost out to so a company can make a few extra dollars.

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            But somehow out here there are computer-touchers willing to look at an incident where somebody clicks one checkbox in error and loses years of their professional life, and say "well it's your fault for reasons?"

            What would it take, in your head, for you to believe the company that built that checkbox, that owns every byte of code and all the infrastructure behind it, have a duty of care? That maybe that company has a positive moral obligation to people, and even - gasp - society?

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            @mhoye Just a smidge of empathy. Everyone who works in tech should have to work in tech support for a month, or do office hours at a library and talk to real people and help them do real computer things.

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            • mhoye@mastodon.socialM mhoye@mastodon.social

              But somehow out here there are computer-touchers willing to look at an incident where somebody clicks one checkbox in error and loses years of their professional life, and say "well it's your fault for reasons?"

              What would it take, in your head, for you to believe the company that built that checkbox, that owns every byte of code and all the infrastructure behind it, have a duty of care? That maybe that company has a positive moral obligation to people, and even - gasp - society?

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              #6

              What would it take for you to start believing that we have an obligation to get past the choice of wringing our hands or washing them. That we have a moral duty to rise above gesturing vaguely at entropy while excusing negligence with sanctimony.

              What would it take for you to stop believing that these pervasive abdications of responsibility, these systemic moral failures are somehow unavoidable, and start recognizing that they're inexcusable.

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