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Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

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  • madduci@mastodon.socialM madduci@mastodon.social

    @jzb I wish there was more a "Code Quality" guide or guild where people build code at slower pace but in high quality..

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    #38

    @madduci there's no magic recipe, but caring about what you're doing is a good starting point

    @jzb

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    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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      #39

      @jzb @onepict we had slow food and slow others, time for slow business? Business and tech that considers what the world will be like in 50 years and how to get there together

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      • craignicol@glasgow.socialC craignicol@glasgow.social

        @jzb @onepict we had slow food and slow others, time for slow business? Business and tech that considers what the world will be like in 50 years and how to get there together

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        #40

        @craignicol @jzb When I look back at my small business support days, along with Stefanos recent example of a customer not valuing his expertise. I'm reminded of the local builder my parents used to use. He was in his fifties and knew my family as they recommended him.

        There was a mutual relationship of respect.

        Which isn't something I've felt from clients as there's always a younger hungrier business.

        Some clients go from firm to firm and now to AI. The respect was never mutual.

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        • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

          @craignicol @jzb When I look back at my small business support days, along with Stefanos recent example of a customer not valuing his expertise. I'm reminded of the local builder my parents used to use. He was in his fifties and knew my family as they recommended him.

          There was a mutual relationship of respect.

          Which isn't something I've felt from clients as there's always a younger hungrier business.

          Some clients go from firm to firm and now to AI. The respect was never mutual.

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          #41

          @craignicol @jzb It's funny 40 odd years have past and I still remember that builder's nickname was Stewartie, he'd known me since I was a baby.

          I'd toddle behind him everywhere being fascinated by the various jobs he and his guys did.

          It's how I know about the electrician's mouse.

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          • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

            @craignicol @jzb It's funny 40 odd years have past and I still remember that builder's nickname was Stewartie, he'd known me since I was a baby.

            I'd toddle behind him everywhere being fascinated by the various jobs he and his guys did.

            It's how I know about the electrician's mouse.

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            #42

            @onepict @jzb those small businesses still exist. Our plumber, alarm guy, and our chimney sweep are loyal and reliable so we're loyal to them. And the alarm guy inherited some of his clients, including us, from an older guy who retired. That's how it can work, and that's how it should work.

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            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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              #43
              @jzb yes actually, the mechanisms of capitalism demand ever faster growth. If you want your business to survive, you either need to out-compete your competitors, or be protected by regulation. To beat the competition, you have to be more powerful. You become more powerful by raising more money. And investors put their money where they can expect the most returns. To slow things down, you'd have to reduce competition on a global scale or have some critical resource like oil run out. Note that this does not automatically improve conditions for most people, because markets don't care. Some extra effort would be required for that.
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              • n_dimension@infosec.exchangeN n_dimension@infosec.exchange

                @madduci @jzb

                Aviation software, IEEE spec.
                Super expensive.

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                #44

                @n_dimension @madduci @jzb I'm on my way to do a software QA survey at a national lab. Three days of reading change requests and asking questions, trying to understand the release process and see how it works in practice. This is a safety analysis code that's been developed for at least 35 years.

                I like nuckear safety code. A better class of problems and far fewer Move Fast and Break Things cokeheads.

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                • 0x4d6165@transfem.social0 0x4d6165@transfem.social

                  @jzb@hachyderm.io degrowth 🙂

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                  #45

                  @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

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                  • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                    Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                    I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                    Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                    Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                    Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                    #46

                    @jzb the slower the cook
                    the better the taste

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                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                      #47

                      @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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                      • ohyran@social.piewpiew.seO ohyran@social.piewpiew.se

                        @jzb LLM's isn't that big of an issue I think. On demand shipping is. Its been around for 30 years and is one of the main reasons for the worlds total collaps during say Covid, Straight of Hormuz situation etc. Its fundational assumption is that small customers are not as big of an issue socially or economically for a reason so when things go wrong, the small customers pay the price through waiting - and its just recently that we've figured out that just that, for them, is a disaster for economy

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                        #48

                        @jzb I mean its not LLM vs ODS or anything, both can be crap ofc.

                        I'm just amazed by the shocked faces of economists who are surprised a national economy can suddenly backpedal when all thats really happening is crap like "Dave's car can't be repaired", "Mika's house modifications will take four years extra" because they see people as companies, isolated and contained.

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                        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                          #49

                          @jzb And while we’re at it touchscreens can go to hell as well.

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                          • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                            Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                            I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                            Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                            Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                            Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                            #50

                            @jzb Must have hypergrowth.

                            The rich got leverage to eliminate. They already took those bonds up to 2060, and need to make 1000% returns.

                            It’s all debt. All of it. Debt, upon debt, upon debt.

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                            • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                              Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                              I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                              Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                              Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                              Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                              #51

                              @jzb
                              Definately think the 'does this need to be done' movement would be a good thing. Everyone might actually get the 3 day week that was talked about decades ago!!

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                              • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                #52

                                @jzb HOLY WORDS !

                                "I reply you with this" .. it's been all already said long ago .. but "we never learn" ..

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Way

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                                • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                  Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                  I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                  Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                  Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                  Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                  #53

                                  @jzb you. I like you.

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                                  • multisn8@donotsta.reM multisn8@donotsta.re

                                    @jzb@hachyderm.io [visibly vibrates in place] you might want to read Kohei Saito’s book “Slow Down”

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                                    #54

                                    @multisn8@donotsta.re @jzb@hachyderm.io ooo I'll add it to my list

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                                    • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                      Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                      I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                      Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                      Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                      Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                      #55

                                      @jzb @AndrewHenry Preach!

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                                      • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                        Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                        I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                        Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                        Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                        Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                        #56

                                        @jzb @sidawson I use them not so much to get things done *faster* but more to get things done *at all*. As coding assistants, they are far better than any human I ever met.

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                                        • jzb@hachyderm.ioJ jzb@hachyderm.io

                                          Perhaps one of the reasons I'm not into LLMs is because I am not really convinced that what we need in the world is more stuff done faster.

                                          I'd like to see a "slow the fuck down" movement and a "does this really need to be done?" movement.

                                          Do corporations *really* need to be moving ever faster, generating more stuff, growing endlessly like cancers?

                                          Maybe I'm just old and tired, but I'd like to have just... less of everything.

                                          Except cat pictures, of course. Keep 'em coming.

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                                          #57

                                          @jzb Hard agree. https://www.davidtoddmccarty.com/the-slow-news-movement/

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