There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil in case they (or you) haven’t seen it you might want to draw folks attention to the open jdk policy, which seems more sensible to me in that it doesn’t lay the groundwork for future total acceptance of llm generated floss but still leaves room for debate. https://openjdk.org/legal/ai (edited to add link)
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil Genai is not evil per se. What is eveil is that it is being pushed upon us without informed consent. I found two great apps on FDroid, Jan and Oxproxion, which allow me to leverage my DGX Spark, would not want to miss them. -
@neil Genai is not evil per se. What is eveil is that it is being pushed upon us without informed consent. I found two great apps on FDroid, Jan and Oxproxion, which allow me to leverage my DGX Spark, would not want to miss them.
My view is that, if the developers used genAI to write them, those apps should not be in F-Droid's own repository.
I appreciate that you (and others) might find them useful but, for me, usefulness of the output of genAI is not a determining test.
(Others may disagree; this is just my view.)
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil so many apps on F-Droid are clearly vibe coded. I literally just downloaded a nice looking launcher, tried it out, checked the source code and it openly said it was a project in vibe coding. Shame as it looked like a nice concept but i can't trust it.
I used to be able to trust that f-droid apps were ugly, buggy, functional, and made with integrity and care. The toothpaste is clearly out of the tube now but it's a shame what we have lost.
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@neil so many apps on F-Droid are clearly vibe coded. I literally just downloaded a nice looking launcher, tried it out, checked the source code and it openly said it was a project in vibe coding. Shame as it looked like a nice concept but i can't trust it.
I used to be able to trust that f-droid apps were ugly, buggy, functional, and made with integrity and care. The toothpaste is clearly out of the tube now but it's a shame what we have lost.
> many apps on F-Droid are clearly vibe coded.
Yes, sadly so. IMHO, these apps should not be permitted in F-Droid's own repo, and that this needs addressing.
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> many apps on F-Droid are clearly vibe coded.
Yes, sadly so. IMHO, these apps should not be permitted in F-Droid's own repo, and that this needs addressing.
@neil agreed. or at the very least, they have flags for so many things, they could at least have one for LLM use.
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil
Please, let the #IA #entshittification out of #fdroid !
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil I've been wondering what I should do about the app I've got on F-droid: https://www.ravelry.com/discuss/beecount/4418207/1-25#3
Summary: Don't love the tech, but it's been useful in some circumstances. -
There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil
While I see your point, I'm just acknowledging that more and more people are writing code with AI tools, being pure vibe coding or AI-assisted coding.
There's no going back, we should accept the new reality and take all reasonable precautions to keep high the quality of software, no matter the origin. -
There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil Uggg. This is exactly what I was worried would happen, downstreams modeling stuff after this awful GR. We should've just had a proper "we won't make a decision right now" option..
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil I just started using F-Droid yesterday. Gemini AI assisted me get started.
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil Hmm, IMHO, just no. It's bad enough that Google is dumping GenAI into every bit of Android, we don't need more of that.
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil
As long as the debate is kept civil.I think it has already become impossible to try to enforce a complete ban on ai and trying to do so would ultimately fail while causing carnage to the community.
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There is a proposal for F-Droid to adopt an interim AI policy, along the lines of Debian's pro-AI policy.
I am not in favour of this.
In particular, I don't want to see genAI code in either F-Droid's own software, or in apps in F-Droid's repository:
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/admin/-/work_items/699#note_3771382103
Mine is, of course, just one voice. But I will continue to push for human-written FOSS apps, for human users.
(Yes, I am an F-Droid board member. Yes, I'm a volunteer, like everyone else. Yes, others seem to have different views. I do what I can.)
@neil is f-droid still relevant after this month tho
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