"On the acceptance of GenAI"https://smallsheds.garden/blog/2026/on-the-acceptance-of-genai/

[buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social]

@ai6yr @tante it seems pretty similar doesn't it? Taking what you want from a website, regardless of the host's intentions?

[mrbase@phpc.social]

@buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante I think most running an adblocker is doing so to block data brokers, not the ad itself. Privacy is as much part of the equation here as the actual ad.

[buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social]

@mrbase @ai6yr @tante we definitely ended up in an unsatisfactory situation with respect to ads, brokers, and blockers. There's no denying that.

It's interesting that no matter what your website license says, the courts say that the blockers are legal, filtering available content under some concept of fair use.

So we are back to what exactly are AIs doing that is stealing? We can give public domain data a clean pass. I think that they honor most open source and Creative Commons licenses 1/2

[buckfiftyseven@mastodon.social]

@mrbase @ai6yr @tante so we are into a muddy legal ground that will probably have to be battled out in the actual courts, about how a fair use doctrine invented in 1741 for copyrighted works applies forward now.

That's just the input side of course. On the output side it seems clear that too closely reproducing an existing work would be a violation as well.

2/2

[ozzelot@mstdn.social]

@mrbase
I'd allow an ad that's a static image. Ads as they come now are full untrusted bits of code running on my machine without me inviting them. Blocking them is a security measure.
@buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante

[gbsills@social.vivaldi.net]

@buckfiftyseven @ai6yr @tante Actually sites that don't want you to see their sites with ad blockers can easily do so.

[netraven@hear-me.social]

@tante I don't use GenAI, I just try to find new and creative ways to break it.

[crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange]

@tante

None of these are true if you run your own LLMs on your own hardware, using FLOSS models.

But the #MastodonHOA has deemed all AI to be abhorrent as a blanket decision.

And frankly, if you exist in a capitalist society, and you're not an owner, there is 100% chance you are exploited. The capitalist system requires it.

[tante@tldr.nettime.org]

@crankylinuxuser FLOSS Models (which are only freeware) fulfill most of those boxes. Trained on stolen data, massaged by people in global majority countries, trained in environmentally harmful data centers, outsourcing skills to the freeware product a company dumped on me, using a tool that is imbued and trained for how big tech wants to see the world, and effort could have gone to something meaningful. So yeah nope.

[kfort@social.sciences.re]

@tante I looove this! thanks!

[crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange]

@tante

"Trained on stolen data". Its at best a copyright violation. And I view things like Anna's Archive and Libgen to be internationally renowned Public Libraries.

"Massaged by people in global majority countries" - yes, people work in capitalism. And guess what... You're exploited.

"Trained in environmentally harmful data centers". This assumes that training is always needed, and its not. You can train once, and run X times. Again, you're stretching to make local LLM look horrible.

And really, the rest of these are poor excuses. I won't use poop smear(anthropic), or OpenAI, or other SaaS token companies. I run local, and does not have those things you claim.

Except for the copyright issue. But again, I dont have that much respect for current US copyright.

[orange_lux@eldritch.cafe]

@crazyeddie @tante GenAI as in Generative AI, not Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).

[lemgandi@mastodon.social]

@tante

x I accept that using this tool will make me measurably stupider

[mitsosimo@mastodon.social]

@tante There should be a "I accept that all of my data will be used against me at some point" option.

[feld@friedcheese.us]

@tante even Claude would have added a Select All option

[mischievoustomato@tsundere.love]

@feld @tante and i would've clicked it after reading the first 2 lines and realizing some snob i would laugh at wrote it

[epic_null@infosec.exchange]

@crankylinuxuser @tante

Its at best a copyright violation

This may be true for published and public data... but that's not the only data that goes into these things. Any data that comes from breaches, users private cameras, and anything else stored with an expectation of privacy is much worse than a copyright violation.

[synthyx@social.vivaldi.net]

@tante

AI in the modern age is not going away. You shouldn't be shamed for using it, and at this point you should expect it.

Even when the bubble goes pop we are still going to have AI in some form. AI is a useful tool for many people, and it's great when you self host it.

Also, most things AI "steals" isn't really stealing if it's free and public on the internet.

Only thing I really can agree with is environment impacts. At this point though we muck up the environment so much with plastics, overusage of gas, mass deforestation, etc that I don't know how big of an impact that really has. Ideally we would use green forms of energy for everything, and new tech innovation would reduce the absurd amounts of power required to run these supercomputers. Hopefully the ARM architecture is that light in the dark.

[qgustavor@urusai.social]

@tante @crankylinuxuser I guess some people have zero idea of how AI model training works. They have the impression that "if I run this HuggingFace model in my hardware, it's ethical" but kinda think those models got uploaded there out of thin air, without any implications.

[komali_2@mastodon.social]

@tante a lot of this applies to basically all participation in capitalism.