I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol.
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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.
Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.
That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.
@ggrey and in some months the switching will be even automatic, without you needing to manually select a new "main relay"
you will not even notice one of the relays went down temporarily etc
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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.
Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.
That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.
@ggrey @delta I think its ease of use and simplicity is why so many people on Mastodon want to argue about it. A certain kind of tech person will never forgive a software technology for not needing them. Delta actually works. And I would put Matrix in the "doesn't really work" category compared to Delta.
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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.
Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.
That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.
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You register with one relay. That's your entry point which gives you encryption keys, stored on your device. Then the random email address created on registration doesn't matter anymore. Your keys do. And so even if you register with another relay, it's still your keys that do the job and guarantee your identity, not the random email address. Hope I got this right, I'm not a developer, just a random advanced user
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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.
Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.
That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.
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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.
Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.
That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.
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I personally see Matrix more for institutional and government usage than the random guy at the pub trying to chat his friends
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You register with one relay. That's your entry point which gives you encryption keys, stored on your device. Then the random email address created on registration doesn't matter anymore. Your keys do. And so even if you register with another relay, it's still your keys that do the job and guarantee your identity, not the random email address. Hope I got this right, I'm not a developer, just a random advanced user
@ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change
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@ggrey @nathanael When you went to send a message to someone, you need to know the relay though. According the FAQ https://delta.chat/en/help#relays it seems possible to change if you give it enough time. I guess an old relay can advertise the new relay when you do change
That's evolving my friend. Stay tuned
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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.
Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.
That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.
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@lps @ggrey https://chatmail.at/relays is a good initial list
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I personally see Matrix more for institutional and government usage than the random guy at the pub trying to chat his friends
@ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!
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@nathanael @vmaurin it may be right now, but Delta Chat is still in its early stages (well, that's a statement
)Think about what WhatsApp was when it was first available.
Delta Chat hasn't got the VC money WhatsApp and other apps had in the past, and they are doing a great job in under promising and over delivering
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@ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!
@fluidlogic you're welcome
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Add more my friend
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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.
Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.
That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.
Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.
I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.
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Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.
I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.
If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber
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If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber
I think we as a society need a better culture for keeping and taking care of personal devices, but yeah, here we are needing smartfone for literally everything.
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Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.
I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.
> Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices
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> With delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.
worse case you tell everyone to kick the old profile from groups etc. and write to you from the new one
stealing your profile is not so easy unless you use phone without PIN, with multi-device as backup is hard to lose it
