Please teach your students not to do this.
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Please teach your students not to do this.
I understand there is a continuum between spellcheck/grammar check and LLMs, and there could be ways to use LLMs to improve wording or grammar, etc.
But please teach your students not to use LLMs to “draft content”. I don't care if they disclose it (tbh, I prefer they don't!). I don't care if they "take responsibility for the content".
The thing about writing is that it has a social function. The social function is *not* to cause text to exist. The social function is to communicate from your mind to my mind. Text is the means, not the end. If you must use an LLM, skip it and just send me the prompt.
(No, I'm not going to link to the paper. The point is not to dunk on people who end up on the wrong side of a social question. The point is to do better.)
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Please teach your students not to do this.
I understand there is a continuum between spellcheck/grammar check and LLMs, and there could be ways to use LLMs to improve wording or grammar, etc.
But please teach your students not to use LLMs to “draft content”. I don't care if they disclose it (tbh, I prefer they don't!). I don't care if they "take responsibility for the content".
The thing about writing is that it has a social function. The social function is *not* to cause text to exist. The social function is to communicate from your mind to my mind. Text is the means, not the end. If you must use an LLM, skip it and just send me the prompt.
(No, I'm not going to link to the paper. The point is not to dunk on people who end up on the wrong side of a social question. The point is to do better.)
@jonmsterling ok honest question here: I'm using LLMs a lot as a sparring partner for ideas. I write down large prompts that are unedited stream of consciousness with my idea and tons of tangents. The LLM reads that back to me, I propose pros & cons, it proposes pros & cons (blindspot check for me), then we iterate. I found this immensely valuable.
None of this really ends up directly in my primary writing but it undeniably is LLM-in-the-loop.
What's your view on that?
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@jonmsterling ok honest question here: I'm using LLMs a lot as a sparring partner for ideas. I write down large prompts that are unedited stream of consciousness with my idea and tons of tangents. The LLM reads that back to me, I propose pros & cons, it proposes pros & cons (blindspot check for me), then we iterate. I found this immensely valuable.
None of this really ends up directly in my primary writing but it undeniably is LLM-in-the-loop.
What's your view on that?
@artificialmind Personally I feel that is like using Google, or having a chat with your friend. Neither of those activities ever required a "disclosure", so I think that these LLM rubberduck sessions should remain part of one's private thinking process, inalienable by the onslaught of "disclosure requirements" that we are seeing.
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@artificialmind Personally I feel that is like using Google, or having a chat with your friend. Neither of those activities ever required a "disclosure", so I think that these LLM rubberduck sessions should remain part of one's private thinking process, inalienable by the onslaught of "disclosure requirements" that we are seeing.
@jonmsterling Yeah that makes sense. I'm not actively teaching anymore, so I'm watching this from the sidelines.
My cynic guess is that those requirements are the kneejerk response to too many students pasting the assignment and prompting "write me a solution". Not sure what solution we'll finally converge on but I guess "LLM Literacy" will be a major thing for the generation of my daughter.
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Please teach your students not to do this.
I understand there is a continuum between spellcheck/grammar check and LLMs, and there could be ways to use LLMs to improve wording or grammar, etc.
But please teach your students not to use LLMs to “draft content”. I don't care if they disclose it (tbh, I prefer they don't!). I don't care if they "take responsibility for the content".
The thing about writing is that it has a social function. The social function is *not* to cause text to exist. The social function is to communicate from your mind to my mind. Text is the means, not the end. If you must use an LLM, skip it and just send me the prompt.
(No, I'm not going to link to the paper. The point is not to dunk on people who end up on the wrong side of a social question. The point is to do better.)
The other thing about writing is that the act of doing it helps organise and distill thoughts in one’s own mind, also. Something that using LLMs completely bypasses.
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@jonmsterling Yeah that makes sense. I'm not actively teaching anymore, so I'm watching this from the sidelines.
My cynic guess is that those requirements are the kneejerk response to too many students pasting the assignment and prompting "write me a solution". Not sure what solution we'll finally converge on but I guess "LLM Literacy" will be a major thing for the generation of my daughter.
@artificialmind @jonmsterling well, I think there's a legit argument for having to disclose this.
like Jon says, it's like sparring with a friend. except this friend is trained, not by life, but by corporate entities.
there's a potential danger there; what if this sparring partner, in very insidious ways, steers your thinking into or away from certain directions? you won't even notice!
after all, this is not your friend, this is a model that is designed to generate money for the shareholders of a megacorporation that exists under a fascist regime.
so yes, I'd like full disclosure on that, too!
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@artificialmind @jonmsterling well, I think there's a legit argument for having to disclose this.
like Jon says, it's like sparring with a friend. except this friend is trained, not by life, but by corporate entities.
there's a potential danger there; what if this sparring partner, in very insidious ways, steers your thinking into or away from certain directions? you won't even notice!
after all, this is not your friend, this is a model that is designed to generate money for the shareholders of a megacorporation that exists under a fascist regime.
so yes, I'd like full disclosure on that, too!
@bazkie @artificialmind @jonmsterling it'll be interesting to see what academics say when things move passed benign arguments about cheating and efficiency into the realm of agentic instruction, brought to you by the party in control.
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@bazkie @artificialmind @jonmsterling it'll be interesting to see what academics say when things move passed benign arguments about cheating and efficiency into the realm of agentic instruction, brought to you by the party in control.
@cmthiede @bazkie @artificialmind @jonmsterling - and let's not forget, they WILL add monetization by advertising to chatbots, that's an absolute, 100% certainty. So besides inherent bias & Bias By Ownership
️ there will also be an entire shitload of paid, variable bias...
