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I don't know who needs to hear this, but if you're yelling at a person on Fedi for not using #AltText, stop.

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  • alexadeswift@lgbtqia.spaceA alexadeswift@lgbtqia.space

    @benroyce

    Major Arsehole and Big Shit goes together like Peaches & Cream, and can be very cathartic when targeted with surgical precision!

    @alice @altbot

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    #22

    @alexadeswift @alice @altbot

    the trick is knowing when to apply which

    i've been guilty of delivering the vinegar when a little honey would be more effective, and vice versa

    we learn to know which is better, but it's an art not a science

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    • h3mmy@lgbtqia.spaceH h3mmy@lgbtqia.space

      @alexadeswift
      I occasionally come across posts without any text that I would love to boost, and so I take this approach. Because it's true that I would love to boost it but I won't if there's no alt text.

      I'm often not the only one. And sometimes there will be a commenter that maybe even made an attempt to supply the original poster with alt text. It's generally been quite effective (except in maybe two cases I'm aware of)

      I'm only mean or degrading to people when they've explicitly asked for it (usually in a kink context).
      @benroyce @alice @altbot

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      #23

      @h3mmy @alexadeswift @alice @altbot

      i did not see the alt text scenario derived consensual roleplay coming, but i'm howling that it did

      "and what is that? a picture of a snail? you know what the snail is doing, the dirty thing, dirty like you. beg to write it out. be specific! do you want to please me? show me your submission... no not like that i mean hit submit on the comment with the alt text"

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      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

        I don't know who needs to hear this, but if you're yelling at a person on Fedi for not using #AltText, stop. Please.

        Should you use alt-text? Yes!

        Should you boost posts without alt-text? No!

        Should you yell at companies and bots who don't use alt-text? Fuck yeah!

        Should you try your best to make Fedi a more accessible, and safe place for everyone—including those who have trouble writing alt-text? Of course.

        Should you mention @altbot or #Alt4Me *occasionally* so folx know they're both wonderful tools that can help make Fedi a more inclusive place? It would be impolite not to.

        But—and let me make this clear—don't be a dick to folx who forget alt-text, or who have trouble writing it for whatever reason; it's not very punk of you.

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        #24

        @alice At least once have I just not posted something because describing the image in any meaningful way would've been quite a task.
        Though nowadays I'll post it anyway, perhaps I should call in helpers in those cases in the future.

        Getting yelled at for not being able to do something definitely pushes people away.

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        • odddev@floss.socialO odddev@floss.social

          @alice @altbot May I offer you a feature request in these trying times?
          https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/26464

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          #25

          @OddDev I like the feature suggestion, but I'd suggest a few restrictions on alt-text submissions so trolls don't use it as an invisible way to spam users with horrible messages.

          1. Image must be missing alt-text to get proposal
          2. Only one proposal per account
          3. No proposals from accounts/servers you have blocked or limited.

          @altbot

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          • nilz@norden.socialN nilz@norden.social

            @alice @altbot@fuzzies.wtf

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            #26

            @nilz

            Hey @altbot can you describe this image for me? 🩷

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            • miclgael@hachyderm.ioM miclgael@hachyderm.io

              @alice @benroyce @alexadeswift hm? I heard my name?

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              #27

              @miclgael @alice @alexadeswift

              FUCK YOU!

              oh wait sorry

              hi michael

              (/s)

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              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                I don't know who needs to hear this, but if you're yelling at a person on Fedi for not using #AltText, stop. Please.

                Should you use alt-text? Yes!

                Should you boost posts without alt-text? No!

                Should you yell at companies and bots who don't use alt-text? Fuck yeah!

                Should you try your best to make Fedi a more accessible, and safe place for everyone—including those who have trouble writing alt-text? Of course.

                Should you mention @altbot or #Alt4Me *occasionally* so folx know they're both wonderful tools that can help make Fedi a more inclusive place? It would be impolite not to.

                But—and let me make this clear—don't be a dick to folx who forget alt-text, or who have trouble writing it for whatever reason; it's not very punk of you.

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                #28

                @alice @altbot My alt texts probably suck, but I got them. Do I yell at people who don’t? No.

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                • odddev@floss.socialO odddev@floss.social

                  @alice @altbot May I offer you a feature request in these trying times?
                  https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/26464

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                  #29

                  @OddDev @alice
                  please don't auto-generate alt-text, just write it by hand. auto-generation is flawed and misses context. oftentimes having a sloppy auto-generated alt-text is worse than having none at all

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                  • ki@chaos.socialK ki@chaos.social

                    @OddDev @alice
                    please don't auto-generate alt-text, just write it by hand. auto-generation is flawed and misses context. oftentimes having a sloppy auto-generated alt-text is worse than having none at all

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                    #30

                    @ki @alice

                    I suggest to click the link first. 😅🙃

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                    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                      I don't know who needs to hear this, but if you're yelling at a person on Fedi for not using #AltText, stop. Please.

                      Should you use alt-text? Yes!

                      Should you boost posts without alt-text? No!

                      Should you yell at companies and bots who don't use alt-text? Fuck yeah!

                      Should you try your best to make Fedi a more accessible, and safe place for everyone—including those who have trouble writing alt-text? Of course.

                      Should you mention @altbot or #Alt4Me *occasionally* so folx know they're both wonderful tools that can help make Fedi a more inclusive place? It would be impolite not to.

                      But—and let me make this clear—don't be a dick to folx who forget alt-text, or who have trouble writing it for whatever reason; it's not very punk of you.

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                      #31

                      @alice @altbot And yet, I think this is a problem too. You're one step short from "should you be a dick to anyone who ever boosted a post without alt-text? yes!" style guilt by association.

                      IMHO not having alt-text should be a factor to consider before boosting a post, but it should not be an outright disqualifier. And if one does feel the need to boost it, that would then be a good chance to bring up https://github.com/micr0-dev/AltBot

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                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                        I don't know who needs to hear this, but if you're yelling at a person on Fedi for not using #AltText, stop. Please.

                        Should you use alt-text? Yes!

                        Should you boost posts without alt-text? No!

                        Should you yell at companies and bots who don't use alt-text? Fuck yeah!

                        Should you try your best to make Fedi a more accessible, and safe place for everyone—including those who have trouble writing alt-text? Of course.

                        Should you mention @altbot or #Alt4Me *occasionally* so folx know they're both wonderful tools that can help make Fedi a more inclusive place? It would be impolite not to.

                        But—and let me make this clear—don't be a dick to folx who forget alt-text, or who have trouble writing it for whatever reason; it's not very punk of you.

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                        #32

                        @alice @altbot How can you be so reasonable. It makes me most terribly uncomfortable.

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                        • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                          @altbot @alice altbot is AI slop and makes things worse for everyone.

                          Aye to the rest. alt4me is great.

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                          #33

                          @mirabilos have you seen AltBot? Its alt-text is better than most folx', it's a tiny (7mb), free, open-source model, paid for by the person hosting it, and it takes less energy than opening your fridge for a few seconds.

                          I'm all for bashing corporate AI bullshit, but this ain't it.

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                          • odddev@floss.socialO odddev@floss.social

                            @ki @alice

                            I suggest to click the link first. 😅🙃

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                            #34

                            @OddDev @alice
                            I did, but judging by your reply, I've probably misunderstood it? I was thinking about the composition UI and an LLM anti-feature in the context of altbot

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                            • ki@chaos.socialK ki@chaos.social

                              @OddDev @alice
                              please don't auto-generate alt-text, just write it by hand. auto-generation is flawed and misses context. oftentimes having a sloppy auto-generated alt-text is worse than having none at all

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                              #35

                              @ki also, that's what proofreading is for.

                              @OddDev

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                              • ki@chaos.socialK ki@chaos.social

                                @OddDev @alice
                                I did, but judging by your reply, I've probably misunderstood it? I was thinking about the composition UI and an LLM anti-feature in the context of altbot

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                                #36

                                @ki @alice It is for other humans to provide alt text.

                                > People choose to either scold the author in the replies or add a image descriptions as an answer.
                                It would make this process much easier to have a dedicated feature for that.

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                                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                  @ki also, that's what proofreading is for.

                                  @OddDev

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                                  #37

                                  @alice @OddDev
                                  I don't trust people who don't write their own alt-text to proofread it 😕

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                                  • divverent@social.vivaldi.netD divverent@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @alice @altbot And yet, I think this is a problem too. You're one step short from "should you be a dick to anyone who ever boosted a post without alt-text? yes!" style guilt by association.

                                    IMHO not having alt-text should be a factor to consider before boosting a post, but it should not be an outright disqualifier. And if one does feel the need to boost it, that would then be a good chance to bring up https://github.com/micr0-dev/AltBot

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                                    #38

                                    @divVerent did I ever imply you should be anything other than kind and inclusive to humans?

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                                    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                      I don't know who needs to hear this, but if you're yelling at a person on Fedi for not using #AltText, stop. Please.

                                      Should you use alt-text? Yes!

                                      Should you boost posts without alt-text? No!

                                      Should you yell at companies and bots who don't use alt-text? Fuck yeah!

                                      Should you try your best to make Fedi a more accessible, and safe place for everyone—including those who have trouble writing alt-text? Of course.

                                      Should you mention @altbot or #Alt4Me *occasionally* so folx know they're both wonderful tools that can help make Fedi a more inclusive place? It would be impolite not to.

                                      But—and let me make this clear—don't be a dick to folx who forget alt-text, or who have trouble writing it for whatever reason; it's not very punk of you.

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                                      #39

                                      @alice I just occasionally whine at people posting without alt text when my mobile reception is bad and images don’t load. 🙃

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                                      • fgbjr@indieweb.socialF fgbjr@indieweb.social

                                        @alice @altbot How can you be so reasonable. It makes me most terribly uncomfortable.

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                                        #40

                                        @fgbjr because being unreasonable never made anything better 🤷🏼‍♀️

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                                        • ki@chaos.socialK ki@chaos.social

                                          @alice @OddDev
                                          I don't trust people who don't write their own alt-text to proofread it 😕

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                                          #41

                                          @ki I've never seen altbot get something so wrong that it would be worse than not having alt-text. In fact, altbot consistently writes better alt-text than like 90% of folx on Fedi.

                                          I hate corporate AI bullshit, but altbot isn't that.

                                          @OddDev

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