Coffee Grinder
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something below $100? or I can go above
Please note that burrs will become dull after some hundreds of kg of coffee. But that’s okay, they are made to be replaceable and there are companies selling high quality replacement burrs.
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What would you recommend that not Baratza for a, sub-$100 grinder that’s repairable and maintainable?
Baratza grinders are not the nicest grinders known, but they do sell every part and you can replace the burrs.
Like I recently sold a KitchenAid double burr grinder that runs double the price of a Baratza Encore. New burrs are not available and all the parts of the KA are breakable glass and unobtainable for repairs. That to me seems crazy, but the flip side is that a $60 Encore is a screaming deal at that price level, for the features of being 100% repairable.
I’ve refurbished about a dozen Baratza grinders (many old and heavily used) but I have only ever seen one with a motor issue (worn brushes). The most common issues are damage to the plastic exterior parts from being dropped. The main mechanism is surprisingly durable.
Is there a better $60 grinder you’re aware of?
https://www.baratza.com/en-us/landing/product/parts
Part cost is VERY reasonable and they ship cheap and fast
As far as I can tell, the top line Baratza models use the same gearbox and motor as the base models
Baratza will sell you the main circuit board for under $15 and the gear box rebuild for like $10. In my opinion that’s admirable. Talking like BIFL ethics, the company obviously wants you to be able to repair any issues, versus being disposable.
( Silly question: why do you own a Skerton, and why isn’t it broken?)
Skerton is good for a backup and camping / traveling and the like.
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At that price point, you’re probably looking at a Chinese hand grinder. The good news is that these are actually really solid products. I have a hand grinder from Timemore that I’m more than happy with, and have been using for 4+ years without issues.
Chinese for less than $100? You should be able to get basically any hand grinder for less than that. Plus if you’re willing to do a little restoration, I see tons of them at antique stores in the US for like $20.
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What would you recommend that not Baratza for a, sub-$100 grinder that’s repairable and maintainable?
Baratza grinders are not the nicest grinders known, but they do sell every part and you can replace the burrs.
Like I recently sold a KitchenAid double burr grinder that runs double the price of a Baratza Encore. New burrs are not available and all the parts of the KA are breakable glass and unobtainable for repairs. That to me seems crazy, but the flip side is that a $60 Encore is a screaming deal at that price level, for the features of being 100% repairable.
I’ve refurbished about a dozen Baratza grinders (many old and heavily used) but I have only ever seen one with a motor issue (worn brushes). The most common issues are damage to the plastic exterior parts from being dropped. The main mechanism is surprisingly durable.
Is there a better $60 grinder you’re aware of?
https://www.baratza.com/en-us/landing/product/parts
Part cost is VERY reasonable and they ship cheap and fast
As far as I can tell, the top line Baratza models use the same gearbox and motor as the base models
Baratza will sell you the main circuit board for under $15 and the gear box rebuild for like $10. In my opinion that’s admirable. Talking like BIFL ethics, the company obviously wants you to be able to repair any issues, versus being disposable.
( Silly question: why do you own a Skerton, and why isn’t it broken?)
If you’ve had to refurbish a dozen Encores, that doesn’t sound very durable. Bunn G1 = buy once, use forever. It’s a commercial grinder like you’d see in a grocery store. No home user will ever cause significant wear on one of those things. I’ve seen them on craigslist in the 300 range fairly often. I don’t have one because it’s too big for my tiny kitchen.
I don’t know where to get a Baratza Encore for $60 even used. They are $150 new. Hmm I do see one on Craigslist for $75 right now, so that’s pretty close. It’s a good value in a cheap grinder, but it’s not BIFL in any meaningful sense of the word that doesn’t include “keep fixing it forever”.
Re Skerton: I don’t remember exactly how I got it, but I didn’t understand at the time what crap they were. I used it a few times and got an Encore which I still have, which has broken twice so far (once replaced under warranty, once I bought a repair part from them). The Encore doesn’t suck but it’s light duty and semi-disposable IMHO.
Again if you think of spreading the grinder cost across say 5 years (that’s not long for a BIFL item) and compare it to the cost of the coffee you’re going to run through it, that helps put the initial price tag in perspective.
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something below $100? or I can go above
2nd hand eureka
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something below $100? or I can go above
It’s too early for me to really recommend it as I’ve only used my current burr grinder for coming up on 5 years, but I’ve had a good time with my De’longhi KG79. I was using it up to multiple times a day at a point, and at no point have I had problems with it, except that it’s not exactly precise both in measuring coffee amount or very fine control of coarseness. If those factors are important to you I suspect you need to go above $100, otherwise you’ll have weigh the coffee yourself like I do.
One thing is certain, those cheap plastic blade grinders you can get for real cheap, they’re definitely not “for life”.
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I love my 1zpresso grinder. Great value for the price.
The only thing that beats my 1zpresso is my Pietro and that’s in a whole other price bracket. Highly recommend if you are into coffee though.
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The only thing that beats my 1zpresso is my Pietro and that’s in a whole other price bracket. Highly recommend if you are into coffee though.
Damn I that looks sweet. Maybe if i ever got a ridiculous influx of cash i could waste.
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Chinese for less than $100? You should be able to get basically any hand grinder for less than that. Plus if you’re willing to do a little restoration, I see tons of them at antique stores in the US for like $20.
Of course you can get any hand grinder for less than that, but if you’re specifically looking to get a high-quality grind and want something that lasts for a long time, your options become more limited. This is where the Chinese brands come into play.
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If you’ve had to refurbish a dozen Encores, that doesn’t sound very durable. Bunn G1 = buy once, use forever. It’s a commercial grinder like you’d see in a grocery store. No home user will ever cause significant wear on one of those things. I’ve seen them on craigslist in the 300 range fairly often. I don’t have one because it’s too big for my tiny kitchen.
I don’t know where to get a Baratza Encore for $60 even used. They are $150 new. Hmm I do see one on Craigslist for $75 right now, so that’s pretty close. It’s a good value in a cheap grinder, but it’s not BIFL in any meaningful sense of the word that doesn’t include “keep fixing it forever”.
Re Skerton: I don’t remember exactly how I got it, but I didn’t understand at the time what crap they were. I used it a few times and got an Encore which I still have, which has broken twice so far (once replaced under warranty, once I bought a repair part from them). The Encore doesn’t suck but it’s light duty and semi-disposable IMHO.
Again if you think of spreading the grinder cost across say 5 years (that’s not long for a BIFL item) and compare it to the cost of the coffee you’re going to run through it, that helps put the initial price tag in perspective.
I resell electronics and a lot of related stuff so I have gone through a lot of items over my career. My insight into what breaks and what doesn’t comes from seeing hundreds of used items weekly. I’ve handled many many brands of grinders and refurbished a bunch of them. I have 2 Baratzas I’m selling right now and sold a Hario earlier today. I also sold another Baratza part this week.
I never claimed the Baratzas don’t ever break, but the motors last decades and everything else is cheap and simple on them, they are made to be serviced, which makes them extremely good value. This is why they are a good recommendation for the super cheap price. I know iof no sub $100 grinders that don’t have some problem eventually. Think of the price tag. A $60 grinder is dirt cheap.
Baratza Encores currently cost about $60-75 on eBay on the lower side of the price range That would be a used working machine covered by a money back guarantee. A couple have sold for just $50-55 in the past 90 days.
I don’t dispute some of what you’re saying about a commercial grinder like that $1200 Bunn G1, but that grinder only has 7 grind adjustment settings. It’s really not comparable to an espresso grinder. The special feature of the Bunn is grinding a pound of coffee in 30 seconds. Like you can’t get an espresso shot calibrated with that style of machine. Of course, that’s not a home machine and it’s not really designed for the purpose of a careful grind size / weight. However, end of the day, that grinder is $475 for a used model. If a Baratza lasts 20 years for $60, is a Bunn 10X as good?
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Skerton is good for a backup and camping / traveling and the like.
Exactly. I use one during camping and when the power is out.
The skerton is a funny grinder where it makes a very consistent finer grind (like espresso levels), but does a lot worse for coarse grind (drip / french press / pour over) where it loses consistency when the burrs are further open.
Its exactly opposite of most hand grinders where its strong at the one thing that many cheaper manual grinders don’t get right.
I have a camping espresso press so it suits my scenario.
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I resell electronics and a lot of related stuff so I have gone through a lot of items over my career. My insight into what breaks and what doesn’t comes from seeing hundreds of used items weekly. I’ve handled many many brands of grinders and refurbished a bunch of them. I have 2 Baratzas I’m selling right now and sold a Hario earlier today. I also sold another Baratza part this week.
I never claimed the Baratzas don’t ever break, but the motors last decades and everything else is cheap and simple on them, they are made to be serviced, which makes them extremely good value. This is why they are a good recommendation for the super cheap price. I know iof no sub $100 grinders that don’t have some problem eventually. Think of the price tag. A $60 grinder is dirt cheap.
Baratza Encores currently cost about $60-75 on eBay on the lower side of the price range That would be a used working machine covered by a money back guarantee. A couple have sold for just $50-55 in the past 90 days.
I don’t dispute some of what you’re saying about a commercial grinder like that $1200 Bunn G1, but that grinder only has 7 grind adjustment settings. It’s really not comparable to an espresso grinder. The special feature of the Bunn is grinding a pound of coffee in 30 seconds. Like you can’t get an espresso shot calibrated with that style of machine. Of course, that’s not a home machine and it’s not really designed for the purpose of a careful grind size / weight. However, end of the day, that grinder is $475 for a used model. If a Baratza lasts 20 years for $60, is a Bunn 10X as good?
The OP question wasn’t about seeking a cheap grinder, it was about seeking a BIFL grinder. I can accept that there’s no realistic way to get both without being lucky.
I seem to remember there is a way to get stepless adjustment for the grind size in a Bunn. Also the Encore isn’t much of an espresso grinder either.
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something below $100? or I can go above
I’ve had my Baratza Virtuoso since 2014-ish and was able to replace the burrs last year. Recommended.
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something below $100? or I can go above
Ascaso used might be worth looking at. I’ve had one for over 15 years and its still going strong. I can see a few on ebay for under 100.
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The OP question wasn’t about seeking a cheap grinder, it was about seeking a BIFL grinder. I can accept that there’s no realistic way to get both without being lucky.
I seem to remember there is a way to get stepless adjustment for the grind size in a Bunn. Also the Encore isn’t much of an espresso grinder either.
Encore isn’t much of an espresso grinder either.
Incorrect. The encore has 40 grind size levels. It is literally an espresso grinder.
In the range of 1-20, the entire grind output adjustment is around 400 microns. The slope on the burr adjustment in these first 20 clicks is 80 degrees. The actual vertical movement of the burrs across the range is only 70 microns (or about 3.6 microns per click!!!), but because the plane between the burrs is angled, each click registers about 20 microns in grind fineness adjustment.
It might not be the best espresso grinder made but it’s the best entry level brand at this price. You will only be disappointed by comparing it to machines multiple times the cost. It is not a 5 star machine but its not terrible.
Do you know what the difference is? Between a general purpose grinder and an espresso grinder?
The OP was asking for a BIFL grinder with a maximum budget of $100.
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something below $100? or I can go above
I have an oXo and it works really well and is around $100. Plus you can pick them up at target.
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I have an oXo and it works really well and is around $100. Plus you can pick them up at target.
Ive had an oxo burr for about 10 years now, I did replace the burrs but turns out they’re almost identical to the ones a higher end brand uses, so I ordered theirs and fit them in. I wouldn’t say I’m 100% satisfied with the grinder as a whole, the removable bean holder is a little fickle to reattach when there’s bean particles in the grinder. But hey it still works and I use it every day
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Encore isn’t much of an espresso grinder either.
Incorrect. The encore has 40 grind size levels. It is literally an espresso grinder.
In the range of 1-20, the entire grind output adjustment is around 400 microns. The slope on the burr adjustment in these first 20 clicks is 80 degrees. The actual vertical movement of the burrs across the range is only 70 microns (or about 3.6 microns per click!!!), but because the plane between the burrs is angled, each click registers about 20 microns in grind fineness adjustment.
It might not be the best espresso grinder made but it’s the best entry level brand at this price. You will only be disappointed by comparing it to machines multiple times the cost. It is not a 5 star machine but its not terrible.
Do you know what the difference is? Between a general purpose grinder and an espresso grinder?
The OP was asking for a BIFL grinder with a maximum budget of $100.
The encore has 40 grind size levels. It is literally an espresso grinder.
Um lol no, it doesn’t work like that. Doing 40 or 400 or for that matter stepless is mechanically trivial in a grinder. If that was all it took, nobody would buy Kafateks.
best entry level brand at this price. You will only be disappointed by comparing it to machines multiple times the cost
That doesn’t sound BIFL to me, if you buy it today and then upgrade to a better one when you can afford to. While not being absolutist, BIFL to me means that you have a reasonable expectation that it is the last one that you are ever going to buy. So the gear has durable enough to last that long, and good enough that you feel that it will always meet your standards.
Do you know what the difference is? Between a general purpose grinder and an espresso grinder?
Yes, OP didn’t ask about espresso at all. Espresso is a huge money sucking rabbit hole that I wisely(?) avoided entering back when I was into this kind of thing. It’s a permanent upgrade treadmill. I have several aquaintances with Kafateks, Lyn Webers, machines of the week, lab instrumentation, microscope photos of coffee grounds, etc. I decided not to care. Once in a while I go to the local cafe and have a Slayer shot and I’m satisfied. I don’t have to be able to do that at home.
As for the Encore, well, you’ve had a dozen broken ones in your shop. I’m not an abusive or especially heavy user and I’ve broken two of them myself. It’s an ok grinder but BIFL doesn’t come into it, it just doesn’t. It’s nice that you can get repair parts from them today but do you really expect the company to exist (and not be absorbed into some evil conglomerate) through your entire lifetime? The Forte (Baratza’s semi-commercial model at around $800 new) might be a plausible BIFL grinder for the average person. Basically you want a grinder made for commercial or industrial duty, so its service interval (however many thousand pounds of coffee it is supposed to grind before needing major repairs) is larger than a home user is likely to use in their lifetime. If I had unlimited funds I’d probably want a Kafatek, but mostly because I think they are cool.
Baratza was founded in 1999. Do they still sell repair parts for the grinders they were making in those early years? The part that failed on my second Encore was the burr collar, a weird shaped piece of plastic that probably can’t be gotten anywhere else. Maybe I could 3D print one but that’s beyond the call of duty.
Also don’t forget that lots of Encore users like to upgrade the burr to the one sold in the next higher (Virtuoso) model. I never bothered doing that with mine.
The OP was asking for a BIFL grinder with a maximum budget of $100.
Yes and I’m asking for a flying pony. I think it’s best to give a realistic answer, which is that what they are asking for does not exist. That happens in every area of life and adults are supposed to be used to it and not get upset. There’s a Bunn G2 on Craigslist right now for $275 and that’s totally BIFL after a mod or two. There’s also a G9 for under $200 but my coffee nerd buddies advised against that model. We don’t have to be like AI chatbots who tell hapless humans what they want to hear even if it’s nonsense.
It’s not completely impossible to keep it under $100 if you see something that is being thrown out from a restaurant or whatever. But that’s a matter of luck.
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I love my 1zpresso grinder. Great value for the price.
Do you think a hand coffee grinder (I would buy the kingrinder k6, as I want cheap) is a “buy for life” product? I never had one in my hand, but I would think that anything that “grinds” probably gets blunt in a few years, no?
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Do you think a hand coffee grinder (I would buy the kingrinder k6, as I want cheap) is a “buy for life” product? I never had one in my hand, but I would think that anything that “grinds” probably gets blunt in a few years, no?
Decent quality ones should at least last years. These grinders crush rather than cut. Should the burr get worse from too much prolonged use, some brands may allow part replacement. Though those would probably be a higher price.
