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  3. When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

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  • joemug@mastodon.socialJ joemug@mastodon.social

    @jascha TBH, I've never heard the phrase "Scientists do not want you to know" spoken or written before today.
    Joys of picking and choosing my life in a sane community/city/state/family.

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    #118

    @joemug @jascha it's a big thing on most social media/youtube. Make some extreme claim of some miracle product that "scientists have been hiding" to sell some snakeoil through an affiliate link or personal store, or just completely made up for the views and ad revenue.

    You can also replace scientist with "gardener", "mechanic" whatever and see much the same, and the related "I stopped going to the store/etc and do X instead" tagline.

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    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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      #119

      @jascha
      They use that line as clickbait, but it doesn't work on anyone who has the slightest clue about science and scientists.

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      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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        #120

        @jascha I recently heard about Radiation Hormesis, or the theory (as in scientific theory backed by data and currently under testing and review) that some radiation in your environment is actually good because it stimulates DNA repair mechanisms that also tend to catch and repair DNA damage from other causes like oxidative stress.

        They badly want you to know, you can google Radiation Hormesis... But they also want you to know that the data isn't quite fully in yet.

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        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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          #121

          @jascha https://infosec.exchange/@catsalad/116166166481969236

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          • elduvelle@neuromatch.socialE elduvelle@neuromatch.social

            @csolisr I've never personally experienced or even remotely heard of a funder trying to influence the results of a study (and been a scientist for about 15 years now). I'm sure it can happen but it will be a negligible minority.

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            #122

            @elduvelle @csolisr Influencing the results is one thing, but there is definitely a bias in funding bodies towards funding research that will show short-term economic benefit over research that will have longer-term or non-economic benefit.

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            • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

              When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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              #123

              @jascha ❤️

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              • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                @arendjr @jascha I can think of no reason why a computer scientist wouldn't want you to understand quantum computers. There's furthermore plenty of stuff you can read online about them. You can dig into all the theory and learn quite a lot.

                What makes you think we want to hide this knowledge from you? It's not like you can go build a quantum computer and accidentally everyone into dust or puddles of bio remnant goo.

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                #124

                @crazyeddie @jascha probably the same reason why native developers might not want you to learn about web development… they might fear their career is in jeopardy if another technology overtakes theirs…

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                • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                  When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                  #125

                  @jascha @coral tbf, there are scientists who get secretive but it's usually when other scientists are around who are known to steal ideas and take credit. For example Watson and Crick and how they seriously screwed over Rosalind Franklin. I think if Franklin had known what would happen maybe it would have been right for her to be more cagey.

                  But in general, yeah. I'm not even a practicing scientist but I still remember the shape of the curve that was key to my graduate research project and will still talk about it 20 years later.

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                  • gsc@mathstodon.xyzG gsc@mathstodon.xyz

                    @anatomical_normalcy @RogerBW @jascha you don't need to debunk flat earth. It's perfectly fine, you'll just have to deal with a horrible geometry and a lot of additional assumptions to compensate for your shitty model 🧚

                    Aaand: as a local approximation it's killer 🙂

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                    #126

                    @gsc @anatomical_normalcy @RogerBW @jascha When I was at uni I joked about forming the locally flat earth society

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                    • sverik@kogumus.masto.hostS sverik@kogumus.masto.host

                      @jascha Scientists don't want you to know about Roko's Basilisk.

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                      #127

                      @sverik @jascha Yeah because most real scientists (not the fart-huffers of LessWrong et al) don't want you to pollute your brain with that claptrap.

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                      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                        #128

                        @jascha that implies that they believe all scientists are somehow a hive mind or heavily centralized, both of which are wrong. It's just a projection of how they run their organization.

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                        • nlupo@amikejo.xyzN nlupo@amikejo.xyz

                          @jascha that implies that they believe all scientists are somehow a hive mind or heavily centralized, both of which are wrong. It's just a projection of how they run their organization.

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                          #129

                          @nlupo no it does not. Take a joke as a joke and do not read more in it as there is. Gosh, your post makes me hate the fediverse

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                          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                            @nlupo no it does not. Take a joke as a joke and do not read more in it as there is. Gosh, your post makes me hate the fediverse

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                            #130

                            @jascha Then I don't get your joke, but fair enough.

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                            • arendjr@mstdn.socialA arendjr@mstdn.social

                              @crazyeddie @jascha probably the same reason why native developers might not want you to learn about web development… they might fear their career is in jeopardy if another technology overtakes theirs…

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                              #131

                              @arendjr @jascha I'm sorry, but that's really stupid.

                              Maybe you think a bit before lobbing baseless accusations about people around?

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                              • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                @arendjr @jascha I'm sorry, but that's really stupid.

                                Maybe you think a bit before lobbing baseless accusations about people around?

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                                #132

                                @crazyeddie @jascha haha, I’m not saying it goes for all of them, but I’ve run into plenty of such programmers in my career.

                                As for baseless accusations, I guess the shoe fits 😅

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                                • arendjr@mstdn.socialA arendjr@mstdn.social

                                  @crazyeddie @jascha haha, I’m not saying it goes for all of them, but I’ve run into plenty of such programmers in my career.

                                  As for baseless accusations, I guess the shoe fits 😅

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                                  #133

                                  @arendjr @jascha Yes. I already said I was a computer scientist and thought you were full of shit. Triply so now.

                                  I'm just going to mute your hateful ass. I don't know what computer scientists but there's no reason to be a bigot and spread lies about people.

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                                  • perigee@rage.loveP perigee@rage.love

                                    @jascha @coral tbf, there are scientists who get secretive but it's usually when other scientists are around who are known to steal ideas and take credit. For example Watson and Crick and how they seriously screwed over Rosalind Franklin. I think if Franklin had known what would happen maybe it would have been right for her to be more cagey.

                                    But in general, yeah. I'm not even a practicing scientist but I still remember the shape of the curve that was key to my graduate research project and will still talk about it 20 years later.

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                                    #134

                                    @perigee @jascha It took some convincing (and as far as I know, the process isn't complete) to get scientists to share preprints and data sets before they were published.

                                    But it's for the reasons you're talking about, not because they don't want the public to know.

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                                    • cellomomoncars@mastodon.socialC cellomomoncars@mastodon.social

                                      @jascha
                                      Reminds me of that joke

                                      Child to his biologist dad:
                                      "Dad what's an electron?"

                                      Dad: "Why don't you ask your mom, she's the physicist, electrons are her wheelworks."

                                      Child: "But I don't want to know *that* much about it."

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                                      #135

                                      @CelloMomOnCars @jascha why my kid asks mom about tech stuff and history

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                                      • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                        @arendjr @jascha Yes. I already said I was a computer scientist and thought you were full of shit. Triply so now.

                                        I'm just going to mute your hateful ass. I don't know what computer scientists but there's no reason to be a bigot and spread lies about people.

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                                        #136

                                        @crazyeddie @jascha sure thing. Love you too 😘

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                                        • dougiec3@libretooth.grD dougiec3@libretooth.gr

                                          @jascha
                                          There's a conspiracy theory that's been around for as long as I know; that a cure for cancer has been found, but is being kept secret because the pharmaceutical corporations have paid off the discoverer(s).
                                          As if someone could resist the acclaim, the historical significance and the Nobel Prize.

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                                          #137

                                          @dougiec3 @jascha Also, that phrase "cure for cancer". Which
                                          cancer I wonder...

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