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  3. There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

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  • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

    @GreatBigTable interesting. I have not dove into Claude Code's spaghetti myself. Would love to hear more about this.

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    #34

    @rysiek @GreatBigTable

    I guess you have to ask really, really nicely, to counteract the other instruction. Or simply add a "system reminder".

    From a great and very enjoyable thread (for certain subcategories of "enjoyable"):

    https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/116328504299888679

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    • wakame@tech.lgbtW wakame@tech.lgbt

      @rysiek @GreatBigTable

      I guess you have to ask really, really nicely, to counteract the other instruction. Or simply add a "system reminder".

      From a great and very enjoyable thread (for certain subcategories of "enjoyable"):

      https://neuromatch.social/@jonny/116328504299888679

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      #35

      @wakame @GreatBigTable ah yes, I've seen that in fact

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      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

        @wakame @GreatBigTable ah yes, I've seen that in fact

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        #36

        @rysiek @wakame yeah. That one. So Anthropic's clutching of pearls over this happening is performative at best. They knew that this is possible because it is baked directly into the code. "You want to bypass these safe guards? Just say these magic words."

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        • greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG greatbigtable@mastodon.social

          @rysiek @wakame yeah. That one. So Anthropic's clutching of pearls over this happening is performative at best. They knew that this is possible because it is baked directly into the code. "You want to bypass these safe guards? Just say these magic words."

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          #37

          @GreatBigTable @wakame indeed, somehow I missed that initially. Thanks!

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          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

            There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

            Not any more!

            Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
            https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/

            Bam! RCE by asking nicely.

            🧵

            #OpenClaw #AI #Hype #InfoSec

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            #38

            @rysiek
            If I were ever interested in experimenting with that kind of thing (I'm not), I would only do it in a virtual machine. To do otherwise is foolish.

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            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

              OpenClaw treats this seriously, of course, and by seriously I mean claims this is normal, nothing to see here – and blames the users:
              https://openclawai.io/blog/openclaw-cve-flood-nine-vulnerabilities-four-days-march-2026

              > This four-day flood isn’t an anomaly. It’s what happens when a project grows from enthusiast tool to infrastructure faster than its security surface can mature.

              > If you’re running OpenClaw, you’re signing up to track upstream releases, apply patches promptly, and monitor advisories — indefinitely.

              🧵

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              #39

              @rysiek wow, they are so casual about authentication just not existing, I mean wow

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              • sloanlance@mastodon.socialS sloanlance@mastodon.social

                @rysiek
                If I were ever interested in experimenting with that kind of thing (I'm not), I would only do it in a virtual machine. To do otherwise is foolish.

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                #40

                @sloanlance I really want to center OpenClaw's irresponsibility and negligence here though. They are actively promoting this to regular, non-techie people. And then when shit happens they blame the victim.

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                • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                  @marcink right?

                  Don't worry, as soon as OpenClaw gets hit by supply-chain attack, which they inevitably are going to, this will flip.

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                  #41

                  @rysiek But between this being openclaw and the insufferably LLM-ish tone of the blog post (pictured below) we can at least rest assured that there is a chance that no human being had to be involved in writing, editing, or reviewing these.

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                  • marcink@stolat.townM marcink@stolat.town

                    @rysiek But between this being openclaw and the insufferably LLM-ish tone of the blog post (pictured below) we can at least rest assured that there is a chance that no human being had to be involved in writing, editing, or reviewing these.

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                    #42

                    @marcink what a fantastic scene in that film.

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                    • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                      @marcink what a fantastic scene in that film.

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                      #43

                      @rysiek If there is any silver lining to this LLM bubble is that it will provide way more than enough material for a sequel.

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                      • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                        There used to be a time when building out a botnet required *some* work – writing exploits, taking over devices, obscuring the purpose of the executable, etc.

                        Not any more!

                        Instead of "malware", call it an "AI agent" and people will just happily install it on their devices with full root privileges!
                        https://github.com/jgamblin/OpenClawCVEs/

                        Bam! RCE by asking nicely.

                        🧵

                        #OpenClaw #AI #Hype #InfoSec

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                        #44

                        @rysiek it’s a shame we still act like people are doing great things when they publish stuff like this.

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                        • fds@mastodon.socialF fds@mastodon.social

                          @rysiek it’s a shame we still act like people are doing great things when they publish stuff like this.

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                          #45

                          @fds 💯

                          (assuming "stuff like this" is OpenClaw, not the openClawCVEs repo)

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                          • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                            Do they mention any of this on their landing page? No, of course not:
                            https://openclawai.io/

                            Do they mention this on their quickstart page? No, of course not:
                            https://openclawai.io/quickstart

                            But they sure mention the managed hosting that is "coming soon"! Which of course they shill in their blogpost about the vulnerabilities:

                            > For many users, that’s a reasonable tradeoff. For others, it’s the argument for managed hosting.

                            Security fuckup? More like business opportunity, amirite? 🤡

                            🧵

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                            @rysiek the entire basis of modern capitalism is to sell the solution to a problem you yourself created.

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                            • rysiek@mstdn.socialR rysiek@mstdn.social

                              @fds 💯

                              (assuming "stuff like this" is OpenClaw, not the openClawCVEs repo)

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                              #47

                              @rysiek Oh yes definitely OpenClaw. I have no problem whatsoever if people want to experiment on their own, but it was highly irresponsible to release it in the state it was in, imo.

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