"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone.
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
i remember finding a web site dedicated to dart fletchings. i don't play darts but i was thrilled to see that any interest, no matter how niche, could be shared with anyone else interested.
hits/likes, influencers, ad auctions, etc. have definitely not improved the internet.
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
All this time... they hate it. They hated how creative it was, they hated the serendipity, the intense meritocracy of memes and social vitality. All of the magical chaos that had me so delighted and charmed ...
I don't know why I didn't see this sooner.
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i remember finding a web site dedicated to dart fletchings. i don't play darts but i was thrilled to see that any interest, no matter how niche, could be shared with anyone else interested.
hits/likes, influencers, ad auctions, etc. have definitely not improved the internet.
@paul_ipv6 @futurebird I still have a couple of "forums" discussing niche interests that I visit once in a while, but it's fewer every year. All of the communities that were spread around are now all just "groups" on Facebook or sub-Reddits.
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@paul_ipv6 @futurebird I still have a couple of "forums" discussing niche interests that I visit once in a while, but it's fewer every year. All of the communities that were spread around are now all just "groups" on Facebook or sub-Reddits.
The entire web feels somehow homogenized. It's as if the internet transformed from an interesting shopping district into a bland strip mall.i deleted facebook completely about 7 years ago. sadly, there are still groups and city/state official agencies that only use facebook that i can't see or access.
not progress.
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
@futurebird@sauropods.win It seems to be the same kind of energy as people who swear that because something is popular, it deserves to push out everything else. They then go and try to gatekeep and annoy the heck out of anyone enjoying the less popular things.
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All this time... they hate it. They hated how creative it was, they hated the serendipity, the intense meritocracy of memes and social vitality. All of the magical chaos that had me so delighted and charmed ...
I don't know why I didn't see this sooner.
@futurebird some people really love order, hierarchy, and authority.
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All this time... they hate it. They hated how creative it was, they hated the serendipity, the intense meritocracy of memes and social vitality. All of the magical chaos that had me so delighted and charmed ...
I don't know why I didn't see this sooner.
@futurebird they should piss off and create their own internet then.
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i deleted facebook completely about 7 years ago. sadly, there are still groups and city/state official agencies that only use facebook that i can't see or access.
not progress.
@paul_ipv6 @futurebird I really wanted to leave it, but family and stuff. I left Amazon, and I'm de-googling, so Facebook is on my to-do list.
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All this time... they hate it. They hated how creative it was, they hated the serendipity, the intense meritocracy of memes and social vitality. All of the magical chaos that had me so delighted and charmed ...
I don't know why I didn't see this sooner.
@futurebird Send these assholes back to cable television!
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
@futurebird
️ I hate that it's relatable. The thing about supremacists is they only care about what their community determines to be the best one, and all the runners up don't matter. It was easy for us tech colonizers to do the same thing we did with economics (using goods price as proxy for value) with websites (continuous users as proxy for value). But the rising price of eggs did not increase their real value my body still needs the same nutrients.Somehow these guys don't realize the contradiction between saying scarcity = goods price = stock value one one side and usercount = social value = share price on the other.
Here are some phenomenal sites for your troubles:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
@futurebird the only way i can see this being a negative is when an independent website starts to present, say, medical/scientific/political bullshit and pretending to be a reputable source, but out of all the problems, that one wasn't solved by assimilating most of the internet into five websites -- in some way, that even made the problem worse, as same-looking profile pages make it even easier for anyone to pretend to be an expert source
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
@futurebird
Board hops and web crawls.
Those were excellent ways to explore the internet.First 'thing' I joined in '99, on my very own financed Gateway 4gb PC, was a mail group about the Art Bell radio show, run by someone named Happy Turtle.
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All this time... they hate it. They hated how creative it was, they hated the serendipity, the intense meritocracy of memes and social vitality. All of the magical chaos that had me so delighted and charmed ...
I don't know why I didn't see this sooner.
@futurebird you can still find cool old internet places on wiby.me
they weren't replaced so much as distracted away from with social media and google
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@futurebird the only way i can see this being a negative is when an independent website starts to present, say, medical/scientific/political bullshit and pretending to be a reputable source, but out of all the problems, that one wasn't solved by assimilating most of the internet into five websites -- in some way, that even made the problem worse, as same-looking profile pages make it even easier for anyone to pretend to be an expert source
@rnd @futurebird at least in the old days cranks looked like cranks. Nobody was going to take Timecube guy seriously.
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
@futurebird They're authoritarian down to their bones. If nobody in authority tells them something has value, they don't believe it does.
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"People sometimes end up on obscure sites run by just... anyone. A page made by a local club is as easy to find as a corporate site."
I didn't realize that the guy I was talking with about the internet in 1999 thought of this as a *problem* to be solved... not what made the internet awesome.
All along there have been people who see everything you love about the internet as an unfortunate design oversight, something to be fixed. And they've been working for decades to make it happen.
@futurebird I still miss Spike Webb and Walter Miller's Trailer Park serial. It broke my heart to learn that latter was a Boston (?) marketing team but that story was hilarious and apparently, lost to time.
I miss pre-W3 era and early W3 era. Commons design has its own ways and they are all worthy. Appreciate this thought from you. Agree mostly.
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@paul_ipv6 @futurebird I still have a couple of "forums" discussing niche interests that I visit once in a while, but it's fewer every year. All of the communities that were spread around are now all just "groups" on Facebook or sub-Reddits.
The entire web feels somehow homogenized. It's as if the internet transformed from an interesting shopping district into a bland strip mall.@Ambulocetus @paul_ipv6 @futurebird who remembers stumbleupon
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@futurebird they should piss off and create their own internet then.
@CarstenBoll
That's the bitch of it. We keep making our own spaces to create and share, but their worldview demands that not be allowed, so they invade and fuck it all up.
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@Ambulocetus @paul_ipv6 @futurebird who remembers stumbleupon
@discobeez @Ambulocetus @futurebird
i have memory of web "rings" and one option was to get sent to a random site in the ring. it was fun. kind of like sitting down with a random volume of the encyclopedia, opening to a random page and just reading.
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@CarstenBoll
That's the bitch of it. We keep making our own spaces to create and share, but their worldview demands that not be allowed, so they invade and fuck it all up.
@futurebird@dpflug @futurebird well, we will have to keep going anyway
Mastodon is nice like that. So is reticulum.
