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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    Anyway, I spent the last week writing documentation for Redox. The Redox project seems to be happy for my documentation patches. One thimble full of water, out of the sinking boat.

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    #67

    @mcc It's very important for both our personal and social well-being to find concrete tasks we can do with our skillset and/or limitations. I'm really interested in your project/s, even though sometimes I don't fully understand them. Slopfree software is important to have! And every thimble is important.

    So yeah. I'm extending a hug to you. You're not alone, and your frustration is super understandable. Take care, one day at a time!

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    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

      Anyway, I spent the last week writing documentation for Redox. The Redox project seems to be happy for my documentation patches. One thimble full of water, out of the sinking boat.

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      #68

      @mcc Hey, thanks for speaking out about this. I'm already sponsoring servo but I'll look at contributing to Redox or Servo if I ever get the spoons !

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      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

        This thread is probably meandering and maybe solipsistic. My point is this: My weird background means I can look at this staircase full of missing stairs, identify one step, and go, "I can fix that". But I don't know if there's enough of me to fix multiple steps. I haven't decided what to do from here. Pick a step and fix it anyway? Pick a "fun" project, like the GPU [which face it, even if I finished it chances are not high more than 3 people would ever use it]? Give up and learn electric bass?

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        #69

        @mcc ::thumps bass::

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        • spawnie@mastodon.socialS spawnie@mastodon.social

          @mcc Hey, thanks for speaking out about this. I'm already sponsoring servo but I'll look at contributing to Redox or Servo if I ever get the spoons !

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          #70

          @spawnie I was surprised and impressed with how far along Redox is. I hope to install it sometime this month.

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          • ciatmusings@raru.reC ciatmusings@raru.re

            @mcc It's very important for both our personal and social well-being to find concrete tasks we can do with our skillset and/or limitations. I'm really interested in your project/s, even though sometimes I don't fully understand them. Slopfree software is important to have! And every thimble is important.

            So yeah. I'm extending a hug to you. You're not alone, and your frustration is super understandable. Take care, one day at a time!

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            #71

            @ciatmusings Thank you for sending this

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            • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

              @mcc my fantasy is something a bit like the mega65, or other retro fpga things (mister), in the reform next shell, and with quickly swappable cores that can share files, so you can try many different old/new/homebrew computers/os on the same set of (your) data. i think linux is mostly not really fun on simple hardware, so i agree with your desire of adopting sth like redox. personally i'd try to do sth as simple as possible but with memory protection (the one thing 90s OSes weren't great at)

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              #72

              @mcc (the mega65 is my example because it is nicely done physically, fully open, and has swappable fpga cores, you can run an amiga core on it instead of c65/c64/c128)

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                @ciatmusings Thank you for sending this

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                #73

                @mcc you're welcome! Hang in there!

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                • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                  @mcc for completeness, i already had a PoC of this btw that i'm planning to revive https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-09-29-rkx7-showcase.html

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                  #74

                  @mntmn @mcc 😳... This Zynq 7010 board on my desk is feeling quite inferior.

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                  • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                    @mcc (the mega65 is my example because it is nicely done physically, fully open, and has swappable fpga cores, you can run an amiga core on it instead of c65/c64/c128)

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                    #75

                    @mntmn @mcc 🤯...I did not know the Mega65 supported Amiga too.

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                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                      I am not the only person who wants what I want: Software by humans for humans, the ability to "use a computer" without participating in this horrible thing that AI companies are trying to build out of what used to be society. Everybody's grabbed the task closest to them. I know of a slopfree book ereader. I know of a slopfree password manager. We're all dependent on stuff further down the stack, and the stack became tall at some point, and only a few items in the stack have a slopfree principle.

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                      #76

                      @mcc the bit of the stack currently causing me anguish is text shaping. HarfBuzz is the One True Library for this and the maintainer is pretty all-in on Claude. This transitively effects... all web browsers (including Servo), most TeX variants (including typst), and every major OSS GUI framework 🫠

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                      • mntmn@mastodon.socialM mntmn@mastodon.social

                        @mcc for completeness, i already had a PoC of this btw that i'm planning to revive https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2022-09-29-rkx7-showcase.html

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                        #77

                        @mntmn @mcc i have been thinking along these lines as well (though obvs with a lot less expertise than you two!) but then i thought... what happens when the fpgas themselves go slop? not just the toolchains (which i assume are already slop?) but the design of the chips themselves

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                        • aparrish@friend.campA aparrish@friend.camp

                          @mntmn @mcc i have been thinking along these lines as well (though obvs with a lot less expertise than you two!) but then i thought... what happens when the fpgas themselves go slop? not just the toolchains (which i assume are already slop?) but the design of the chips themselves

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                          #78

                          @aparrish @mntmn the thing about an fpga design is once it's stable you have the *option* of tweaking it and having it fabbed as an asic.

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                          • sapphire@tech.lgbtS sapphire@tech.lgbt

                            @mcc the bit of the stack currently causing me anguish is text shaping. HarfBuzz is the One True Library for this and the maintainer is pretty all-in on Claude. This transitively effects... all web browsers (including Servo), most TeX variants (including typst), and every major OSS GUI framework 🫠

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                            #79

                            @sapphire In my notes for my long, longer than a human lifetime, todo list for a one-person slop escape is porting Servo to run atop a fork of Harfbuzz 12. At some point I had a conversation with the Harfbuzz maintainer where they gave me the number of the last version they wrote without "code assistants" and what I have written down suggests that was 12. This step scares me much less than the idea of forking wgpu.

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                            • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                              @spawnie I was surprised and impressed with how far along Redox is. I hope to install it sometime this month.

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                              #80

                              @mcc @spawnie Redox OS - thanks for the tip.

                              I will take a look. After checking out who is paying the bills for the development.

                              🙃

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                              • froge@social.glitched.systemsF froge@social.glitched.systems

                                @mcc@mastodon.social this is most likely true, but even so, the firmware of your computer is being slop coded by random corporate engineers

                                I think to truly adhere to this you'd require open hardware and open software for that hardware which also isn't GenAI enabled

                                to be entirely honest I've been thinking about this a lot and I have no solutions

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                                #81
                                @froge @mcc It does help that hardware from 2020 will probably be fine until 2040.
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                                • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz
                                  @froge @mcc It does help that hardware from 2020 will probably be fine until 2040.
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                                  #82

                                  @lispi314 @froge i am writing this on a computer from 2016 and i cannot imagine wanting a better computer than that. i don't know what the point would be. if any computer i purchase after this is from later than 2016 it will be for the sole reason that computers from 2016 are not being made anymore.

                                  in fact, if i could, i'd probably go further back, to 2014, when S3 sleep still existed, and it was therefore possible to run Linux.

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                                  • maddiem4@raphus.socialM maddiem4@raphus.social

                                    @mcc Genuinely, something I hope we get someday is an FPGA-implemented open source GPU. I've wanted that for a long time, because I think graphics APIs are broadly a mistake, and instruction sets are better, and the reason we're in The Bad Place about this is vendors being protectionists about IP. But lately, I'm seeing additional benefits to making GPU simple and open enough that there's no excuse to slopping it.

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                                    #83

                                    @MaddieM4 @mcc If I were to go there, I would target openGL. I think that would allow a lot of bootstrapping , or?

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                                    • poetaster@mastodon.gamedev.placeP poetaster@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      @MaddieM4 @mcc If I were to go there, I would target openGL. I think that would allow a lot of bootstrapping , or?

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                                      #84

                                      @poetaster @MaddieM4 i am at a point in my life i will go to enormous lengths to not write opengl. i think if we decided to create an entire new universe from scratch and the two things we brought along with us were C and OpenGL that would be such a sad outcome

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                                      • djsundog@fedi.reclaim.technologyD djsundog@fedi.reclaim.technology

                                        @MaddieM4@raphus.social @mcc@mastodon.social I’m waiting on my ULX3S board to ship and this is the main reason I ordered it, to become the video card of a microcontroller-based personal computer theoretically

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                                        #85

                                        @djsundog @mcc @MaddieM4 https://radiona.org/ulx3s/ that's a nice piece of kit!

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                                        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                          @poetaster @MaddieM4 i am at a point in my life i will go to enormous lengths to not write opengl. i think if we decided to create an entire new universe from scratch and the two things we brought along with us were C and OpenGL that would be such a sad outcome

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                                          #86

                                          @poetaster @MaddieM4 "joy was too big so instead we carried misery"

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