A new progress report on living with (Net)BSD, with some artistry, too.
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Another major computing need that I (and most others) have is modern internet. Things are not looking super great here.
For now, I'm using a fork/LTS release of Firefox. How long until it stops being supported, and the only option for a browser that can open modern web would be LLM-tainted one? Probably a month or so at best (and it's possible that the one I have is already tainted).
Using an outdated browser is a security risk I'm not willing to take.
So, I'll try to use more of sm0l web - Gemini, Gopher, no-js web. It's not the same.
I probably will still have to compromise on my "LLM boycott" and use a tainted web browser. I don't know, honestly. Sorry, I wish I knew what to do about it.
Ah, that was quite a long rant!
Thanks for reading. I guess what I wanted to say is that things aren't too bad on this side. Could've been better, but I'm managing to scrape by, making choices that I find important.
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@nina_kali_nina firefox is LLM tainted because LLVM (rustc) is LLM tainted -
@wyatt I suppose I should be able to shape it into an editor I want it to be. Out of the box, it is very much not, to the point where I think it'd be easier for me to make yet another tiny graphical editor than to get used to grafx2. But it is a good editor, can't argue with that!
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@wyatt I suppose I should be able to shape it into an editor I want it to be. Out of the box, it is very much not, to the point where I think it'd be easier for me to make yet another tiny graphical editor than to get used to grafx2. But it is a good editor, can't argue with that!
@nina_kali_nina i consider it very similar to deluxepaint and thus familiar to me
also if wine works EDGE is a nice editor i've talked about before -
@rfnix I started preparing for the NetBSD move when systemd became ensloppified and the Linux kernel mail list didn't show much concern about it. At this point I knew that things are going to be "interesting".
Frankly speaking, things are in a bit of a dangerous position. Well, "a bit" might be an understatement.
One can't have a modern operating system without a modern compiler. Both LLVM and GCC are embracing LLMs (to a different degree). Not sure what's going to replace them, if anything.
There are other parts of the stack that are in a similar position... Sigh.
@nina_kali_nina I share the feelings, including the uncertainty about what we're going to do about all that.
I'm telling myself it will let us keep the "fun" factor of building things on constrained resources and software without any LLM involvement in its development process - but being realistic for anything else that isn't "computers" at its core it will likely be too time consuming to avoid entirely. For example I do a lot of photography and music, and at some point I want to stop tinkering with the software and actually create something with it.
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@nina_kali_nina I share the feelings, including the uncertainty about what we're going to do about all that.
I'm telling myself it will let us keep the "fun" factor of building things on constrained resources and software without any LLM involvement in its development process - but being realistic for anything else that isn't "computers" at its core it will likely be too time consuming to avoid entirely. For example I do a lot of photography and music, and at some point I want to stop tinkering with the software and actually create something with it.
@nina_kali_nina (so far my entire picture collection is edited with Darktable, for a more specific example - and they have already started down a dangerous path...)
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A new progress report on living with (Net)BSD, with some artistry, too.
This original illustration is
succubusdaemon. Installed by runningpkg_add succu, and can be started with default settings with/etc/rc.d/succu onestart.She's a bit wonky and rough around the corners, and she looks more like a ghost than a succubus. But she's highly configurable, and her ~source code~ incantation spell is written by a human being and can be understood by a human being as well.
The illustration is a mix of traditional and digital art, and all the digital parts were done on NetBSD 11.
Thread start!
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@nina_kali_nina I am about to start trying to get NetBSD running on one of my devices (an eeepc 901) so I will have a look through all of your posts later.
FreeBSD apparently allows AI code. NetBSD explicitly does not.
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@nina_kali_nina firefox is LLM tainted because LLVM (rustc) is LLM tainted
@wyatt it should still be possible to build the version I'm on using pre-tainted Rust release, but tainted Rust has been in the pkgsrc since May
Oh, also, I think Firefox itself is tainted.
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@wyatt it should still be possible to build the version I'm on using pre-tainted Rust release, but tainted Rust has been in the pkgsrc since May
Oh, also, I think Firefox itself is tainted.
@nina_kali_nina you know as well as i do that firefox in 1 year won't build with pre-'tainted' rust versions anymore -
Speaking of the computing needs: as you can see, I almost sorted out the drawing part of it. I have GNU IMP, Krita, and even pre-genAI LibreSprite (I needed to write four patches so it'd compile and won't crash; perhaps, I should package it, or at least document for someone).
With my music-making, things are not as good yet. Among the applications that reliably work, I have Audacity, timidity (MIDI player) and XMMS. The LMMS DAW, for some reason, isn't very stable, and it refuses to talk to any of MIDI devices. I still don't have a solution for editing MIDI just yet. At least music tracker applications should work.
But you know what, having XMMS available is a big heartwarming thing, I missed this little gadget on my desktop. And Audacity is still better than nothing at all.
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@nina_kali_nina "pre-GenAI libresprite", things I didn't want to hear, but am now glad to know. Which version is pre?
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@nina_kali_nina you know as well as i do that firefox in 1 year won't build with pre-'tainted' rust versions anymore
@wyatt I mean, Firefox ESR 153 has .claude and .agents/skills in it, too
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@nina_kali_nina I am about to start trying to get NetBSD running on one of my devices (an eeepc 901) so I will have a look through all of your posts later.
FreeBSD apparently allows AI code. NetBSD explicitly does not.
I am not sure what OpenBSD's stance is.@the_wub OpenBSD doesn't allow AI code based on the legality/license grounds, it seems. Which makes it a bit dangerous, I feel
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@wyatt I mean, Firefox ESR 153 has .claude and .agents/skills in it, too
@nina_kali_nina i'm running 139 still but i'm sure that'll piss me off whenever i finally need to build a new version -
@nina_kali_nina "pre-GenAI libresprite", things I didn't want to hear, but am now glad to know. Which version is pre?
@jana Depends on what you consider "pre-genAI". There's a script for using stable diffusion in the editor since v1.1; I wouldn't be surprised if some code in v1.1 was "co-piloted", given that the author's attitude towards LLMs and gen-AI seems to be quite approving.
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@nina_kali_nina i'm running 139 still but i'm sure that'll piss me off whenever i finally need to build a new version
@wyatt The support for 140 is about to be dropped :<
I'm thinking maybe I should reject the modernity, get Retrozilla compiling, and then embark on a multi-year crusade of fixing vulnerabilities in it T_T Idk
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@wyatt The support for 140 is about to be dropped :<
I'm thinking maybe I should reject the modernity, get Retrozilla compiling, and then embark on a multi-year crusade of fixing vulnerabilities in it T_T Idk
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@rfnix I started preparing for the NetBSD move when systemd became ensloppified and the Linux kernel mail list didn't show much concern about it. At this point I knew that things are going to be "interesting".
Frankly speaking, things are in a bit of a dangerous position. Well, "a bit" might be an understatement.
One can't have a modern operating system without a modern compiler. Both LLVM and GCC are embracing LLMs (to a different degree). Not sure what's going to replace them, if anything.
There are other parts of the stack that are in a similar position... Sigh.
@nina_kali_nina @rfnix
Maybe QBE can take over from gcc & llvm?
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Oh god, I hope QBE doesn't get ensloppified. -
A new progress report on living with (Net)BSD, with some artistry, too.
This original illustration is
succubusdaemon. Installed by runningpkg_add succu, and can be started with default settings with/etc/rc.d/succu onestart.She's a bit wonky and rough around the corners, and she looks more like a ghost than a succubus. But she's highly configurable, and her ~source code~ incantation spell is written by a human being and can be understood by a human being as well.
The illustration is a mix of traditional and digital art, and all the digital parts were done on NetBSD 11.
Thread start!
🧵 1/?
@nina_kali_nina cute mascot 🥺 -
@the_wub OpenBSD doesn't allow AI code based on the legality/license grounds, it seems. Which makes it a bit dangerous, I feel
@nina_kali_nina @the_wub i have to agree although it pains me to do so -
@elebertus I like the analogy because it can be stretched further: in some places, in some circumstances, it is easier to be vegan, because it is common and understood. And there are many reasons why people choose one diet and not the other: religion, upbringing, ethics, environment concerns, health concerns, simple preference. I think there are similarly many reasons to avoid LLMs in their varieties.
Additionally, I like that "vegan" is a non-negative descriptor. It's more than just "meat-free" or "anti-meat". This makes me think that like-minded people could benefit from a descriptor that is not "No-AI" or "AI-free". I have not found such a word yet, admittedly
@nina_kali_nina @elebertus Something that humans have and which LLMs lack, that could be used to construct a non-negative descriptor is a body. It's tempting to talk about things being handmade, or hand-typed, but that does exclude people that for whatever reason don't type using their hands.
Maybe something like "embodied" would work? We'd want to make it clear that the creator of the software is embodied, as opposed to the software. "Body-produced"? "Body-sourced"? "Body-made"?
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@nina_kali_nina @the_wub i have to agree although it pains me to do so@nina_kali_nina @the_wub
http://megatokyo.moe/dl/edge_pixel_art_editor/
also can't remember how openbsd tablet support is but i may need to keep my non-updated debian system around for my old usb wacom i suppose, i know openbsd doesn't support serial digitizers like my x61 tablet uses but think there might be some usb support
is the situation better in netbsd?
