“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can.
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feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification
@zzt in this case, it is really just a field in a database, because the bootlickers have not understood that they're not part of the club that gets to implement age verification.
Why should a website trust an age indication from a piece of software that might have been installed by a minor?
It was useful to see who the bootlickers are, and we should focus on getting them to understand which side of the walls they will be on when they come up.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt The venn diagram between people claiming we can't ignore age verrification and the people who've been happily ignoring accessibility and privacy regulations for decades is a flat circle.
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feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification
@zzt READ IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST MOTHERFUCKERS! THE NUMBER TATTOOS WERE AN ENTRY IN THE IBM HOLLERITH PUNCH CARDS
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@jwz I’m trying hard to not bring up the prison industrial complex or IBM’s role in automating concentration camps but shit these assholes really need the reminder
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feel free to fuck off with the “it’s just a field in a database, distros will make it a simple age gate during account creation” horseshit unless you come with an explanation of why that’ll work in a regulatory landscape where porn sites with age gates are currently under legal threat from states where an age gate isn’t a sufficient proof mechanism, to the point where some of them have started partnering with companies like (Thiel-backed) Persona for identity verification
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the US can’t implement gun registration in most jurisdictions because literally nobody complied with any of the attempts to enforce it but yeah sure we have to do age verification or else an entire industry built on our free software will switch to ??????
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@zzt in this case, it is really just a field in a database, because the bootlickers have not understood that they're not part of the club that gets to implement age verification.
Why should a website trust an age indication from a piece of software that might have been installed by a minor?
It was useful to see who the bootlickers are, and we should focus on getting them to understand which side of the walls they will be on when they come up.
@GyrosGeier it’s really embarrassing that you didn’t do even basic research on who implemented the feature (an odious little fucker who thinks google locking down Android is great too) or who approved it over the objections of his own community (a guy whose entire notable career has been with corporations that enable genocides) and have just assumed that the continuing fascist project to take over open source somehow stopped before it noticed linux
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt Unjust laws must be broken.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt non-compliance in advance: https://agelesslinux.org/
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I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess
@zzt I can't believe ITS was brought up, period.
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I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess
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What the actual fuck?@kirtai I cursed myself with this post because right after someone tried to nitpick me to death on how because debian coincidentally doesn’t ship logind by default it’s misinformation to claim that anything in linux is doing age verification
somehow every type of mastodon reply guy is here in this thread and they all fucking love age verification
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@zzt I can't believe ITS was brought up, period.
@larsbrinkhoff fucking right? like shit I love ITS (I compiled a tape from your repo soon after I found out about it just to find out more about how ITS is built) but I don’t think I’ve ever brought it up in random casual conversation
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt The next step after "do not comply in advance" is "fuck you, make me".
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@zzt READ IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST MOTHERFUCKERS! THE NUMBER TATTOOS WERE AN ENTRY IN THE IBM HOLLERITH PUNCH CARDS
Seriously this is straight up fash creep and anyone with half a clue OR a heart should be fighting it.
There is no good way to implement this-- especially in the currently out of control corruption that's wrecking everything around us. It's just one more point of leverage they'll use to squeeze everyone for control. It's not worth it. More harm than good, and doesn't accomplish its stated goal anyway. This isn't how we protect kids, it's how we all (including, maybe especially, the kids) lose privacy.
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@kirtai I cursed myself with this post because right after someone tried to nitpick me to death on how because debian coincidentally doesn’t ship logind by default it’s misinformation to claim that anything in linux is doing age verification
somehow every type of mastodon reply guy is here in this thread and they all fucking love age verification
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I cannot believe ITS got brought up as a counterpoint but welcome to mastodon I guess
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@perigee @zzt @MrBerard I will just repeat what Its FOSS said when the feature was merged:
In simple words, this is something that adds a new, optional field that can then be used by other open source projects like xdg-desktop-portal to build age verification compliance on top of, without systemd itself doing anything with the data or making it mandatory to provide
So yeah, that is what this change looks like, but this won't be stopping the haters and conspiracy theorists from making wild accusations, of course.
I don't know which hat you're wearing today ("hater" or "conspiracy theorist") but I do hope you enjoy the look.
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“software can’t just ignore laws it doesn’t like” it literally can. corporations do it constantly and I really doubt any of them will drop linux if it doesn’t comply with a set of godawful fascist age verification laws. historically one of the forms of pushback against unjust laws is to show some basic fucking solidarity and do nothing to assist in their enforcement because it really isn’t practical to sue everybody, but unfortunately solidarity is alien to most of these computer fuckers
@zzt it's really hard to drop the best alternative we had to Windows or MacOS. if only NetBSD is safe, we're really screwed cause we're practically back to square one. there is not a great deal of binary packages for NetBSD compared to all of the other free software ecosystems. it's kind of like deciding OS/2 will be your "daily driver" as they call it.
