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  3. Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth.

Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth.

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  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

    Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

    But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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    #2

    Truth is I don't know. Gender seems a complicated, vague concept to me, and I don't know why I feel the need to be a woman. It wasn't intentional. I never experienced any great internal revelation or certainty.

    Nonetheless, evidentially, I am happier and more well-balanced as a woman. Even despite the transphobia I experience.
    2/

    tattie@eldritch.cafeT ciara@anarres.familyC lisadifalco1@mastodon.scotL 3 Replies Last reply
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    • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

      Truth is I don't know. Gender seems a complicated, vague concept to me, and I don't know why I feel the need to be a woman. It wasn't intentional. I never experienced any great internal revelation or certainty.

      Nonetheless, evidentially, I am happier and more well-balanced as a woman. Even despite the transphobia I experience.
      2/

      tattie@eldritch.cafeT This user is from outside of this forum
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      tattie@eldritch.cafe
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #3

      I don't generally "feel like a woman". I feel like me.

      But, like, do you understand that for decades before I transitioned I was fantasising about, pining for, the idea of having a female body, of being recognised as a woman, going thru life as one?

      I tried to stoically accept that I was a man, I tried to embrace non-traditional masculinity, I tried everything to make this need go away. It didn't.

      So I have to conclude, this is something real.
      3/

      eliza@chaosfem.twE tattie@eldritch.cafeT rpbook@gts.phillipsuk.orgR saxifraga@lgbtqia.spaceS 4 Replies Last reply
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      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

        I don't generally "feel like a woman". I feel like me.

        But, like, do you understand that for decades before I transitioned I was fantasising about, pining for, the idea of having a female body, of being recognised as a woman, going thru life as one?

        I tried to stoically accept that I was a man, I tried to embrace non-traditional masculinity, I tried everything to make this need go away. It didn't.

        So I have to conclude, this is something real.
        3/

        eliza@chaosfem.twE This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        @Tattie

        I completely agree. I feel like me now too

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        • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

          I don't generally "feel like a woman". I feel like me.

          But, like, do you understand that for decades before I transitioned I was fantasising about, pining for, the idea of having a female body, of being recognised as a woman, going thru life as one?

          I tried to stoically accept that I was a man, I tried to embrace non-traditional masculinity, I tried everything to make this need go away. It didn't.

          So I have to conclude, this is something real.
          3/

          tattie@eldritch.cafeT This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #5

          And then, having run out of other options, I finally tried the things I had ruled out previously as too scary, the things that would bring judgment down on me.

          I tried transition. Tho at the time I hadn't even realised myself as a woman.

          I was shit scared. I did it anyway.
          4/

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          • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

            Truth is I don't know. Gender seems a complicated, vague concept to me, and I don't know why I feel the need to be a woman. It wasn't intentional. I never experienced any great internal revelation or certainty.

            Nonetheless, evidentially, I am happier and more well-balanced as a woman. Even despite the transphobia I experience.
            2/

            ciara@anarres.familyC This user is from outside of this forum
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            ciara@anarres.family
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            #6

            @Tattie yes this is exactly my experience too. The more I experience life as a woman, the harder it becomes to pretend to be a man. I don't know how to explain this but it's undeniable

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            • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

              And then, having run out of other options, I finally tried the things I had ruled out previously as too scary, the things that would bring judgment down on me.

              I tried transition. Tho at the time I hadn't even realised myself as a woman.

              I was shit scared. I did it anyway.
              4/

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              #7

              I tried painting my nails. It brought me happiness. I tried feminine accessories. They brought comfort. I tried shaving my body hair. It felt calming.

              I started dressing in femme clothes, around the house. It felt exciting at first, then just... right.

              And then I went on hormones. And everything accelerated. My body itself began to feel like a home, like a friend. I hadn't realised how much or how long I had been suffering, because it had just felt normal.
              5/

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              • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                I tried painting my nails. It brought me happiness. I tried feminine accessories. They brought comfort. I tried shaving my body hair. It felt calming.

                I started dressing in femme clothes, around the house. It felt exciting at first, then just... right.

                And then I went on hormones. And everything accelerated. My body itself began to feel like a home, like a friend. I hadn't realised how much or how long I had been suffering, because it had just felt normal.
                5/

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                #8

                This is fact: transitioning to be more female in body, more feminine in presentation, and taking on a female-coded social role, made me feel vastly better in myself.

                I know this is true of me, and many like me. And the experiences of transmasculine people in the other direction inform me that it's not as simple as womanhood just being better for everyone. It was something about me.
                6/

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                • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                  This is fact: transitioning to be more female in body, more feminine in presentation, and taking on a female-coded social role, made me feel vastly better in myself.

                  I know this is true of me, and many like me. And the experiences of transmasculine people in the other direction inform me that it's not as simple as womanhood just being better for everyone. It was something about me.
                  6/

                  jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  jrdepriest@infosec.exchange
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #9

                  @Tattie

                  This is so beautiful, so good, and so true.

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                  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                    This is fact: transitioning to be more female in body, more feminine in presentation, and taking on a female-coded social role, made me feel vastly better in myself.

                    I know this is true of me, and many like me. And the experiences of transmasculine people in the other direction inform me that it's not as simple as womanhood just being better for everyone. It was something about me.
                    6/

                    tattie@eldritch.cafeT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #10

                    That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                    No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                    But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                    I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                    Fin/

                    moriel@chaosfem.twM jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ adele@social.treehouse.systemsA williampietri@sfba.socialW xorlou@lgbtqia.spaceX 10 Replies Last reply
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                    • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                      Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

                      But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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                      goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org
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                      #11

                      @Tattie “I’m a girl”

                      “Why?”

                      “Because”

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                      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                        That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                        No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                        But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                        I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                        Fin/

                        moriel@chaosfem.twM This user is from outside of this forum
                        moriel@chaosfem.twM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @Tattie

                        i am bookmarking this thread. This is precisely on target. Very well said!

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                        • goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.orgG goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org

                          @Tattie “I’m a girl”

                          “Why?”

                          “Because”

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                          tattie@eldritch.cafe
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                          #13

                          @goatsarah I just think it's neat dot gif.

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                          • moriel@chaosfem.twM moriel@chaosfem.tw

                            @Tattie

                            i am bookmarking this thread. This is precisely on target. Very well said!

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                            tattie@eldritch.cafe
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                            @moriel thank you!

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                            • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                              Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

                              But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

                              ruthoday2@chaosfem.twR This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #15

                              @Tattie

                              Thank you for expressing this, it describes (more clearly than I could) a lot of my own experiences..

                              #BoostFaveBookmarkTrifecta

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                              • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                                No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                                But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                                I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                                Fin/

                                jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #16

                                @Tattie in fact, I'm sharing a Masto Reader link to this thread on my woke family Signal chat so they can understand what dysphoria is like since it is hard to explain and you have done so in an almost poetic way.

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                                • ruthoday2@chaosfem.twR ruthoday2@chaosfem.tw

                                  @Tattie

                                  Thank you for expressing this, it describes (more clearly than I could) a lot of my own experiences..

                                  #BoostFaveBookmarkTrifecta

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                                  #17

                                  @RuthODay2 I am honoured by the trifecta!

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                                  • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                    That's it. That's what I've got. Just my experience.

                                    No grand theory that explains everything, no intellectual justification. I can't explain this any more than you can.

                                    But my experience is real. And I cannot stand by if you're going to "debate" the reality of it.

                                    I exist. I'm right here. Look at me.
                                    Fin/

                                    adele@social.treehouse.systemsA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #18

                                    @Tattie elegantly said and true.

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                                    • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                      Truth is I don't know. Gender seems a complicated, vague concept to me, and I don't know why I feel the need to be a woman. It wasn't intentional. I never experienced any great internal revelation or certainty.

                                      Nonetheless, evidentially, I am happier and more well-balanced as a woman. Even despite the transphobia I experience.
                                      2/

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                                      lisadifalco1@mastodon.scot
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                                      #19

                                      @Tattie Very much so ! I have no idea “what a woman feels like” and I suspect no one else has either. All I do know is that my mind, body and soul feel right.

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                                      • tattie@eldritch.cafeT tattie@eldritch.cafe

                                        Cis people sometimes demand #trans people rigourously define what "gender" means and explain what drives us to embody a gender other than the one assigned to us at birth. If we can't do that, they say, how can they believe us?

                                        But trans people shouldn't have to be philosophers and psychologists all wrapped up into one to have our experiences believed. 1/

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                                        #20

                                        @Tattie I think even more fundamentally - there's been entire books and a million blogs of personal narratives, lots of them. Medical research studies, medical associations, entire international interdisciplinary organizations of people who are the world experts in gender diversity. They all say trans people are real, valid, and who they say they are. If someone isn't willing to accept those piles of evidence, then challenging an individual trans person is just hunting for some gotcha.

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                                        • jrdepriest@infosec.exchangeJ jrdepriest@infosec.exchange

                                          @Tattie in fact, I'm sharing a Masto Reader link to this thread on my woke family Signal chat so they can understand what dysphoria is like since it is hard to explain and you have done so in an almost poetic way.

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                                          #21

                                          @Tattie cousin told me, after reading it, that her 25 year old AMAB child thinks he might be transgender. They are currently dating a trans woman, too. Thank you for helping to open up that dialogue.

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