I need a Finnish phrase that is used in the same manner as an exasperated "for fuck's sake" in English.
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@iju Yep, I've passed exams in a couple of other languages but consider myself monolingual.
That said the threads about the project discuss idiomatic translations rather than literal ones, so I am aware of these issues, but it is only a fun arts project.
I'm asking "When you're pissed off at the world, what do you say?"
I'm not asking what *everyone* would say.
I'm asking for an example that a bunch of people who speak that language would recognise.
It's just a bit of fun.
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I need a Finnish phrase that is used in the same manner as an exasperated "for fuck's sake" in English.
I've had two nominations so far, but experience shows there can be some late entries, so feel free to pick 'something else'.
If this has landed in your timeline & you don't know what I'm talking about, there is some info about the project here
https://things.uk/@eclectech/117071859569448514Kiitos!
@eclectech
I asked my Finnish friend (who is not on mastodon).He says:
Maybe... "Voi vittujen kevät."
Also, "voi herran tähden", but it's directly like for god's sake...
Or "Ei jumalauta" -
To give you an example: in English there's this debate what counts as an sandwich. Does hamburger count (I've seen McDonalds use the word at Glasgow)? How about hotdog or pizza?
In Finnish (and other Nordic languages) this debate couldn't happen, as "sandwich" is translated as butter+bread. As none of the listed examples have butter on top of a bread, none of them are "butter+bread". But you can't translate this back to sandwich and conclude that hamburger isn't a sandwich.
@iju I understand this. The thread that the poll links to explicitly states I'm not after a literal translation. I understand that cultural differences exist.
When I first discussed the project Finnish people volunteered suggestions. That's why I ran the poll.
I will try to clarify my posts (this is only language number 5) but nobody is obliged to make a suggestion, or answer the poll.
It's just a bit of fun.
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@Neotheta Thanks!
Is "jumalauta, saatana, perkele" a single phrase, of three different ones?
Finnish does seem to be a very rich seam of swears (I'm going to do a follow on popularity poll as I do need to narrow it down and there have been a *lot* of new options
)@eclectech @Neotheta chiming in, with my third home country where I'd been intending to sit out to not take over the conversation for fennoscandia
but I saw you hadn't gotten an answer to this q, and this I can clarify: they're three different, the first being equivalent to dear god in usage, the second two are devil synonyms. As usual, you can stack them, so some people might start listing them all when exasperated. -
@eclectech @Neotheta chiming in, with my third home country where I'd been intending to sit out to not take over the conversation for fennoscandia
but I saw you hadn't gotten an answer to this q, and this I can clarify: they're three different, the first being equivalent to dear god in usage, the second two are devil synonyms. As usual, you can stack them, so some people might start listing them all when exasperated.@silhelm @Neotheta Hah, thank you! My task later on is gathering all the suggestions from this thread. In theory these should go in as individual ones then? But should I also add a stacked version?
I'm chuckling a little, as I chose Finnish next because there had been two suggestions, obviously similar, and I thought it was going to be a quick one
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@silhelm @Neotheta Hah, thank you! My task later on is gathering all the suggestions from this thread. In theory these should go in as individual ones then? But should I also add a stacked version?
I'm chuckling a little, as I chose Finnish next because there had been two suggestions, obviously similar, and I thought it was going to be a quick one
️@eclectech oh dear
you didn't know what you were up against. It was a bit of a culture shock when I moved there, the casual and extremely varied and creative swearing. It's a language where inflection will turn any word into a swear, though the base selection is also varied. Though most common are devil synonyms, and cunt (vittu). And then stacking them, and adding extra syllables for force. -
@eclectech oh dear
you didn't know what you were up against. It was a bit of a culture shock when I moved there, the casual and extremely varied and creative swearing. It's a language where inflection will turn any word into a swear, though the base selection is also varied. Though most common are devil synonyms, and cunt (vittu). And then stacking them, and adding extra syllables for force.@silhelm Haha, I am picking that up
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I need a Finnish phrase that is used in the same manner as an exasperated "for fuck's sake" in English.
I've had two nominations so far, but experience shows there can be some late entries, so feel free to pick 'something else'.
If this has landed in your timeline & you don't know what I'm talking about, there is some info about the project here
https://things.uk/@eclectech/117071859569448514Kiitos!
@eclectech I have a funny very specific one I say on occasion. It started on the padel court and has now bled to other situations when I mess up.
Basically very short elongated shout, that starts as a medium loud and ends in loudish growling / screaming: "vituUUUUH"
Not at all suitable for dissapointing / frustrating situations. -
@silhelm @Neotheta Hah, thank you! My task later on is gathering all the suggestions from this thread. In theory these should go in as individual ones then? But should I also add a stacked version?
I'm chuckling a little, as I chose Finnish next because there had been two suggestions, obviously similar, and I thought it was going to be a quick one
️@eclectech @silhelm They don't serve the same used singulary (because they all mean specific things), Finnish is not so simple, our problem is so much nuance when you make different combinations and in what tone/scenario.
We even have a non-swear word that can be basically used in every context depending on how you tone it, it's: "noniin".. and yes, even as like "for fucks sake".
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It is extremely clear that a second poll will be required
I'll leave this one to run, then gather all the other suggestions, and as it seems that there are MANY options that are appropriate the final choice can be a popularity contest amongst the Finnish fediverse.
I foolishly selected Finnish as language 6 because I'd had 2 very similar suggestions & it would therefore be quick. Obviously that has NOT turned out to be the case
So, I commend you on your range & depth of swears & I am going to post an extended list in reply to this with a narrowed down requirement in the hope it helps.
Also, please remember it's just for a silly art project
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