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Heard this crazy story of American "justice" on the Criminal podcast.

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  • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

    Heard this crazy story of American "justice" on the Criminal podcast.

    A man is arrested for a crime cos the police used AI facial recognition. The man has a solid alibi: he was in hospital cos his child was being born.

    6 months later, he pleads guilty. Why? He's been locked up all this time, awaiting trial. The only way he gets to go home to his new baby is to admit to a crime he didn't commit.

    This is that craziness @mekkaokereke keeps telling us about.
    https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-371-thats-not-me

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    #6

    @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke I don't know if this is a sunk cost fallacy thing on the part of the police,* or something more sinister. Honestly, either answer seems plausible.

    * I imagine this facial recognition garbage didn't come cheap.

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      #7

      @wyatt_h_knott yes, but this happens frequently in our"justice" system to people without the resources to put up a fight. And that time locked up does incredible damage. Kalief Browder, for example.
      @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

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      • akamran@indieweb.socialA akamran@indieweb.social

        @wyatt_h_knott yes, but this happens frequently in our"justice" system to people without the resources to put up a fight. And that time locked up does incredible damage. Kalief Browder, for example.
        @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

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        #8

        @akamran @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke Yeah, except you're talking to someone who has actually been arrested, charged with crimes they didn't commit, had to take a plea deal, and did time.

        You're also talking to a guy who got 60% of his assets back in a forfeiture case with falsified charges, because I refused to plead and fought the case.

        I'm well aware of how it goes.

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          #9

          @wyatt_h_knott @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

          Yeah, it was a bad decision for a whole host of reasons. But can you really blame him? He's suffering every day in jail, and he can't see his newborn or support his family while he's in there.

          And you know prosecutors and perhaps even his court appointed defense attorney are telling him sweet sounding lies about how a guilty plea is the best way out.

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          • bruce@darkmoon.socialB bruce@darkmoon.social

            @wyatt_h_knott @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

            Yeah, it was a bad decision for a whole host of reasons. But can you really blame him? He's suffering every day in jail, and he can't see his newborn or support his family while he's in there.

            And you know prosecutors and perhaps even his court appointed defense attorney are telling him sweet sounding lies about how a guilty plea is the best way out.

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            #10

            @bruce @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke It only makes sense if you can't prove your innocence. When I took a plea, it was because they had charged me with a bunch of stuff I hadn't done, but weren't going to let me go. So I had to plead to the thing I had actually done, which was a misdemeanor, much better than the felonies they tried to charge me with.

            It's obviously case by case, but I still think it was a bad decision forced upon him.

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            • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

              Heard this crazy story of American "justice" on the Criminal podcast.

              A man is arrested for a crime cos the police used AI facial recognition. The man has a solid alibi: he was in hospital cos his child was being born.

              6 months later, he pleads guilty. Why? He's been locked up all this time, awaiting trial. The only way he gets to go home to his new baby is to admit to a crime he didn't commit.

              This is that craziness @mekkaokereke keeps telling us about.
              https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-371-thats-not-me

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              #11

              @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke great podcast

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              • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                Heard this crazy story of American "justice" on the Criminal podcast.

                A man is arrested for a crime cos the police used AI facial recognition. The man has a solid alibi: he was in hospital cos his child was being born.

                6 months later, he pleads guilty. Why? He's been locked up all this time, awaiting trial. The only way he gets to go home to his new baby is to admit to a crime he didn't commit.

                This is that craziness @mekkaokereke keeps telling us about.
                https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-371-thats-not-me

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                #12

                @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke the regime needs dismantled

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                • wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.socialW wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.social

                  @bruce @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke It only makes sense if you can't prove your innocence. When I took a plea, it was because they had charged me with a bunch of stuff I hadn't done, but weren't going to let me go. So I had to plead to the thing I had actually done, which was a misdemeanor, much better than the felonies they tried to charge me with.

                  It's obviously case by case, but I still think it was a bad decision forced upon him.

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                  #13

                  @wyatt_h_knott @bruce @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

                  I think the big argument here is, if it was forced upon him, how much can it be referred to as a decision?

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                    #14

                    @wyatt_h_knott @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke Winning a lawsuit won't get you back missing out on the first year of watching your kid grow up.

                    The legal system is also never a guarantee. I've lost in civil hearings despite having what should have been a slam-dunk case.

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                      #15

                      @wyatt_h_knott @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke He didn’t have a good choice open to him, only different bad ones. It’s easy to sit in the sunshine and say, “He should have taken the other one …”

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                      • fivetonsflax@tilde.zoneF fivetonsflax@tilde.zone

                        @wyatt_h_knott @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke He didn’t have a good choice open to him, only different bad ones. It’s easy to sit in the sunshine and say, “He should have taken the other one …”

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                        @fivetonsflax You should keep reading before you keep talking.
                        Which, if you do, you will discover that I didn't sit in sunshine, I sat in fucking jail. So I'm going to venture that I know VASTLY more about the choices he had to make than you do.

                        @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

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                        • wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.socialW wyatt_h_knott@mstdn.social

                          @fivetonsflax You should keep reading before you keep talking.
                          Which, if you do, you will discover that I didn't sit in sunshine, I sat in fucking jail. So I'm going to venture that I know VASTLY more about the choices he had to make than you do.

                          @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

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                          @wyatt_h_knott @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke sorry!

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                          • fivetonsflax@tilde.zoneF fivetonsflax@tilde.zone

                            @wyatt_h_knott @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke sorry!

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                            @fivetonsflax thank you

                            @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

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                            • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                              Heard this crazy story of American "justice" on the Criminal podcast.

                              A man is arrested for a crime cos the police used AI facial recognition. The man has a solid alibi: he was in hospital cos his child was being born.

                              6 months later, he pleads guilty. Why? He's been locked up all this time, awaiting trial. The only way he gets to go home to his new baby is to admit to a crime he didn't commit.

                              This is that craziness @mekkaokereke keeps telling us about.
                              https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-371-thats-not-me

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                              @davidnjoku The criminal injustice system.

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                              • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                                Heard this crazy story of American "justice" on the Criminal podcast.

                                A man is arrested for a crime cos the police used AI facial recognition. The man has a solid alibi: he was in hospital cos his child was being born.

                                6 months later, he pleads guilty. Why? He's been locked up all this time, awaiting trial. The only way he gets to go home to his new baby is to admit to a crime he didn't commit.

                                This is that craziness @mekkaokereke keeps telling us about.
                                https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-371-thats-not-me

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                                #20

                                @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke

                                KAFKA

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                                • davidnjoku@mastodon.worldD davidnjoku@mastodon.world

                                  Heard this crazy story of American "justice" on the Criminal podcast.

                                  A man is arrested for a crime cos the police used AI facial recognition. The man has a solid alibi: he was in hospital cos his child was being born.

                                  6 months later, he pleads guilty. Why? He's been locked up all this time, awaiting trial. The only way he gets to go home to his new baby is to admit to a crime he didn't commit.

                                  This is that craziness @mekkaokereke keeps telling us about.
                                  https://thisiscriminal.com/episode-371-thats-not-me

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                                  @davidnjoku @mekkaokereke
                                  The USA is not a civil country

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