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  • c64whiz@oldbytes.spaceC c64whiz@oldbytes.space

    @GossiTheDog

    Makes me wonder if this is a effort by "closed source" to disrupt/poison/discredit open source? 🤔

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    #71

    @c64whiz @GossiTheDog
    This was honestly my first thought.

    The vast majority of the tv-news-watching public barely understands computers as it is through no real fault of their own as they have been spoonfed "magic and mystery" since the dialup days.

    The distinction of "open source = MORE dangerous than big company software" would be very easy for a front of united major media outlets owned by a handful rich folks to spread and most people will not be equipped to tell facts from misinformation.

    How well have those open source legal protections been working against the "smart TV" industry? I'd bet every TV holding shelf I hit at Wal-Mart will be stocked with misappropriated GPL code and no source distribution.

    This is the same tactic major corps use to obtain IP for themselves.

    Lock up the originator in tedious, costly busywork (typically legal, claiming infringement to start a costly time-consuming trial, for most corps) and then when the originator can't handle it and collapse under the weight of it all, the corps take the product as their own.

    Tying up repos with vulnerabilities that might not get noticed just might work out well for the major software outfits in the long run.

    It's reprehensible and a little more haphazard, but it sure looks awfully familiar.

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    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

      Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

      I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

      So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

      https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

      As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

      n1xnx@tilde.zoneN This user is from outside of this forum
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      #72

      @GossiTheDog
      Aaaahhh!
      Who is giving clankers commit privileges to their repositories? Seems like an obvious failure of project management.

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      • keith_lawson@mastodon.socialK keith_lawson@mastodon.social

        @GossiTheDog This was literally the first major security mistake I made in my early days as a Perl developer and I don't imagine it's that uncommon. Claude has probably been trained with a truckload of code with these vulnerabilities.

        That's okay because we run everything in single-purpose Docker containers now though, right? /s

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        #73

        @keith_lawson @GossiTheDog

        I keep pointing out to my coworkers that these clankers are trained on StackOverflow posts that contain code examples followed by "here's what I wrote, why doesn't it work?"

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        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

          Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

          I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

          So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

          https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

          As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

          crypticrainfall@app.wafrn.netC This user is from outside of this forum
          crypticrainfall@app.wafrn.netC This user is from outside of this forum
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          #74

          This is just starting to sound like a cyber attack.

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          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

            Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

            I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

            So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

            https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

            As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

            gmoore@thepit.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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            #75

            @GossiTheDog This kind of basic stuff is easily caught by any free static analysis tool. There's no excuse to not be running one in one's repo, vibe-coded or not.

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            • drat@infosec.exchangeD drat@infosec.exchange

              @da_667 @GossiTheDog I wish that juice actually existed...

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              #76

              @Drat @da_667 @GossiTheDog It does. In the form I was really fond of it's $50 per 750 ml and makes you say stupid shit like, "GASP...that's really smooth...." and then shove your head up your ass.

              But I'm actually sick to death of that kind of oblivion. The shit I have to unsee just keeps adding up as does the shame of letting shit pass by unopposed.

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              • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                @Drat @da_667 @GossiTheDog It does. In the form I was really fond of it's $50 per 750 ml and makes you say stupid shit like, "GASP...that's really smooth...." and then shove your head up your ass.

                But I'm actually sick to death of that kind of oblivion. The shit I have to unsee just keeps adding up as does the shame of letting shit pass by unopposed.

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                #77

                @crazyeddie @Drat @da_667 @GossiTheDog

                strangely poetic

                and absolutely true

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                • n1xnx@tilde.zoneN n1xnx@tilde.zone

                  @GossiTheDog
                  Aaaahhh!
                  Who is giving clankers commit privileges to their repositories? Seems like an obvious failure of project management.

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                  #78

                  @n1xnx @GossiTheDog Especially earlier in my career, I could easily have been taken in by thinking I'm getting actual help from a "friend" who wants to join me on the project and I'd have not really looked into it too much.

                  A lot of these projects are just peoples' hobbies that blow up...you know, or fail to. When they do blow up the developer(s) can end up severely overworked and frankly inexperienced for dealing with the management part.

                  So yeah...this is going to be a disaster.

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                    #79

                    @fuzzyfuzzyfungus is the question not more "why is anyone using such unreliable tools in the first place?" They've proven time and time again that the result is less than sub par, they create as many if not more issues than they fix, they've fucked up ram prices and soon storage prices, they use too much energy.. i could go on but fuck, if that's not enough i don't know what to say.

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                    • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                      @n1xnx @GossiTheDog Especially earlier in my career, I could easily have been taken in by thinking I'm getting actual help from a "friend" who wants to join me on the project and I'd have not really looked into it too much.

                      A lot of these projects are just peoples' hobbies that blow up...you know, or fail to. When they do blow up the developer(s) can end up severely overworked and frankly inexperienced for dealing with the management part.

                      So yeah...this is going to be a disaster.

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                      #80

                      @crazyeddie @GossiTheDog
                      Sigh. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

                      I remember reading commentary back in the 1980s to the effect that automating a (business) process doesn't make it BETTER, it just makes its existing failure modes happen FASTER, often with the result that the humans who were able to cope with those failures when they came at a human rate are now overwhelmed by them occurring at the speed of computer processing.

                      It was true then for paper-based accounting, and it's true now for collaborative software projects.

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                        I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                        So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                        https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                        As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                        scy@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #81

                        @GossiTheDog But think about the AI-powered "security researchers". They can now use their AI models to find these vulnerabilities and create 8.2 severity issues to fix it again.

                        It's like that picture with the circular economy between Nvidia and OpenAI and Microsoft, but with 0days!

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                        • vlkr@social.tchncs.deV vlkr@social.tchncs.de

                          @GossiTheDog https://github.com/claude right now showing "Something went wrong, please refresh the page to try again." Yeah, dude.

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                          #82

                          @vlkr @GossiTheDog I get the same behavior here and can go to other profiles just fine 😛

                          No public repos. Something went wrong.

                          I guess it could just be that I picked a particularly irrelevant profile to compare against but it did show up just fine without any error.

                          Could also be that it's too sudden a shift in interest in that particular user.

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                          • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

                            @GossiTheDog what's funny to me, is that there were influencers on linkedin a few days ago claiming claudecode could find vulnerabilities in code faster than humans, and they're like "look at all these openssl vulns it found!" now I'm like. "well no shit its finding vulnerabilities, when its the one introducing them."

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                            #83

                            @da_667 @GossiTheDog and I’ve been seeing several posts in the past 48 hours that say that A”I” vuln scanners aren’t finding most of them.

                            Almost makes me wonder if there’s a two-pronged attack here. Introduce them and ignore them.

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                            • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

                              @GossiTheDog ladies and gentlemen, it's this stupid shit (tm) that we are paying up the ass for new SSDs and RAM for.

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                              #84

                              @da_667 @GossiTheDog I have 5 500MB HDDs that are now probably worth thousands.

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