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  3. Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

    If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

    https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

    #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

    theholypumpkin@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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    theholypumpkin@mastodon.social
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    #33

    @JulianOliver looking through the replies I'll happily point a subdomain to the provided A-Record my old e-mail address domain is just barely used for the few accounts which don't allow me to change the address.

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    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

      Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

      If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

      https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

      #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

      mro@digitalcourage.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      mro@digitalcourage.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
      mro@digitalcourage.social
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #34

      Hi @JulianOliver,
      pick subdomains of mro1.de and tell me where to point the DNS.

      Edit: just saw the DNS records above, I will set up some and follow up here later today.

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      • mro@digitalcourage.socialM mro@digitalcourage.social

        Hi @JulianOliver,
        pick subdomains of mro1.de and tell me where to point the DNS.

        Edit: just saw the DNS records above, I will set up some and follow up here later today.

        julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        julianoliver@mastodon.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #35

        @mro

        How about 'carrot'?

        A: 95.216.76.85
        AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

        Thanks a lot!

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          @narthur For now they would all share the same IP.

          Both domain and IP are naturally able to be filtered at the crawler end, but as numerous sites can be hosted behind one IP, it is my belief that they will drop a domain first.

          Further, it's my hope to have instances of the project running on other dedicated hosts down the road.

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          monochrome@social.critica.li
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #36

          @JulianOliver @narthur It seems to me that it would be fairly easy for them to consider that the content is junk and to treat accordingly everything coming from the same IPs. They probably keep a log of where the content used to train the LLMs is coming from (maybe with some kind of hash / pseudonymous maneer), and likely have ways to reject content from the same server IF they detect a problem from several domains linked to this server. IMO a bunch of reverse proxies / various IPs could help : they might be dumb and make it easy to polute their dataset, but probably aren't.

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          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

            Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

            If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

            https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

            #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

            themadhatter@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
            themadhatter@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
            themadhatter@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #37

            @JulianOliver i have some unused. I'll let them point at A/AAAA you already mentioned. Do you need to know the exact domains?

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            • themadhatter@mastodon.socialT themadhatter@mastodon.social

              @JulianOliver i have some unused. I'll let them point at A/AAAA you already mentioned. Do you need to know the exact domains?

              julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
              julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
              julianoliver@mastodon.social
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #38

              @themadhatter Thank you! Yes knowing the domains would be needed. If you don't want the world to know they are yours, you can DM.

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              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                @themadhatter Thank you! Yes knowing the domains would be needed. If you don't want the world to know they are yours, you can DM.

                themadhatter@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                themadhatter@mastodon.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #39

                @JulianOliver will send you a send you a DM when ready.

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                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                  Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

                  If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

                  https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

                  #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

                  korkeala@hachyderm.ioK This user is from outside of this forum
                  korkeala@hachyderm.ioK This user is from outside of this forum
                  korkeala@hachyderm.io
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #40

                  @JulianOliver I set one .fi domain for this which was unused I was supposed to delete it already.

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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    A bit over half a million page reads a day by crawlers rn. Just to say the server is doing some good work.

                    julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    julianoliver@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #41

                    Thanks all for the fine domains! I've decided to spin up a new VM and do all the site configs and TLS chain for them at once - more efficient, less prone to error. I will get onto that on my tomorrow and report back here.

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                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                      Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

                      https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

                      The page may grow a bit. Just wanted to get it out the door.

                      #AI #bigtech

                      mediengruppe_bitnik@tldr.nettime.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      mediengruppe_bitnik@tldr.nettime.org
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #42

                      @JulianOliver also ❤ the web design. gotta serve the bots something nice.

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                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                        @mro

                        How about 'carrot'?

                        A: 95.216.76.85
                        AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

                        Thanks a lot!

                        mro@digitalcourage.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mro@digitalcourage.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
                        mro@digitalcourage.social
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #43

                        Hi @JulianOliver,
                        carrot.mro1.de and
                        car.rot.mro1.de and
                        ca.rr.ot.mro1.de

                        The pleasure is all mine.

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                        • mro@digitalcourage.socialM mro@digitalcourage.social

                          Hi @JulianOliver,
                          carrot.mro1.de and
                          car.rot.mro1.de and
                          ca.rr.ot.mro1.de

                          The pleasure is all mine.

                          julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                          julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
                          julianoliver@mastodon.social
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #44

                          @mro Amazing, thank you! I'll have an update tomorrow once all setup.

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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

                            If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

                            https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

                            #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

                            perhammer@glasgow.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                            perhammer@glasgow.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                            perhammer@glasgow.social
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                            #45

                            @JulianOliver sign me up

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                            • korkeala@hachyderm.ioK korkeala@hachyderm.io

                              @JulianOliver I set one .fi domain for this which was unused I was supposed to delete it already.

                              julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              julianoliver@mastodon.social
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #46

                              @korkeala Thank you! Please share via DM so I can add it to the list.

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                              • M monochrome@social.critica.li

                                @JulianOliver @narthur It seems to me that it would be fairly easy for them to consider that the content is junk and to treat accordingly everything coming from the same IPs. They probably keep a log of where the content used to train the LLMs is coming from (maybe with some kind of hash / pseudonymous maneer), and likely have ways to reject content from the same server IF they detect a problem from several domains linked to this server. IMO a bunch of reverse proxies / various IPs could help : they might be dumb and make it easy to polute their dataset, but probably aren't.

                                julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                julianoliver@mastodon.social
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #47

                                @monochrome @narthur

                                I am looking to populate the tarpit to other hosts, but for now the bots just keep chewing, and have been for days at one end-point.

                                I suspect there are so many crawlers spawned, and that they have so much in the way of resources at hand to do this scraping, that it is largely automated with little oversight.

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                                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                  Thanks all for the fine domains! I've decided to spin up a new VM and do all the site configs and TLS chain for them at once - more efficient, less prone to error. I will get onto that on my tomorrow and report back here.

                                  julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  julianoliver@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #48

                                  Thanks for all the domain donations, a beautiful thing!

                                  Listed on the landing page:

                                  https://scienceispoetry.net

                                  And copied into this post:

                                  https://carrot.mro1.de
                                  https://car.rot.mro1.de
                                  https://ca.rr.ot.mro1.de
                                  https://sygrovelaw.co.nz
                                  https://wholesaletechnology.co.nz
                                  https://goldenageproductions.co.nz
                                  https://kginno.eu
                                  https://outgoing.nz
                                  https://unbreak.nz
                                  https://poetry.rainskit.com
                                  https://poetry.narthur.com
                                  https://madhattercorp.com
                                  https://sustainable-collective.org
                                  https://sustainable-collective.de
                                  https://c0-cloud.de

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                                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                    Thanks for all the domain donations, a beautiful thing!

                                    Listed on the landing page:

                                    https://scienceispoetry.net

                                    And copied into this post:

                                    https://carrot.mro1.de
                                    https://car.rot.mro1.de
                                    https://ca.rr.ot.mro1.de
                                    https://sygrovelaw.co.nz
                                    https://wholesaletechnology.co.nz
                                    https://goldenageproductions.co.nz
                                    https://kginno.eu
                                    https://outgoing.nz
                                    https://unbreak.nz
                                    https://poetry.rainskit.com
                                    https://poetry.narthur.com
                                    https://madhattercorp.com
                                    https://sustainable-collective.org
                                    https://sustainable-collective.de
                                    https://c0-cloud.de

                                    julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    julianoliver@mastodon.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #49

                                    I have only linked them here and on the landing page, and already it's gone nuts.

                                    These are *solely* the new domains you've donated, all in one log. These do not pertain to the project domain.

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                                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                      I have only linked them here and on the landing page, and already it's gone nuts.

                                      These are *solely* the new domains you've donated, all in one log. These do not pertain to the project domain.

                                      julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      julianoliver@mastodon.social
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #50

                                      I've started to harvest a list of AI crawler endpoint addrs for your blacklisting pleasure.

                                      I'll try to keep it updated. I've been fastidious with ensuring I'm only pulling those related to the known user agent, so as not to have any false positives

                                      https://scienceispoetry.net/files/parasites.txt

                                      It is at the same path for all contributed domains.

                                      For instance:

                                      https://carrot.mro1.de/files/parasites.txt

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                                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                        Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

                                        https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

                                        The page may grow a bit. Just wanted to get it out the door.

                                        #AI #bigtech

                                        lzrd@infosec.exchangeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        lzrd@infosec.exchange
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #51

                                        @JulianOliver this is the coolest thing I've seen all year, thank you for sharing and making this

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                                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                          I have only linked them here and on the landing page, and already it's gone nuts.

                                          These are *solely* the new domains you've donated, all in one log. These do not pertain to the project domain.

                                          pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafeP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                                          #52

                                          @JulianOliver I think scraper bots and other parasites constantly scan TLS transparency reports to find new domains to probe. As soon as you have a new certificate, they start hitting your web server.

                                          julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ dch@bsd.networkD 2 Replies Last reply
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