"Everyone is doing it.
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"Everyone is doing it. Projects older than me, and developers who could be seen as role models and important figures in the space are adopting LLMs into their development workflow more readily than anything I'd ever seen. Vim, VLC, gstreamer, Kitty, the Linux Kernel, these are all already actively integrating the lying machine into their workflows.
Am I just being a vegan about it?"
I would argue that we who refuse to use LLMs are more of "AI" antifascists than "AI" vegans. Only one third of voters voted for the nazis. A certain percentage opposed them. But many of those who didn't actively support them turned a blind eye, because they didn't want to make waves, the system benefited them, or at least they had comfortable enough lives under it. It is the same with technofascism*. Until it stops being comfortable/cheap. And then, everyone will always have been against it.
*The percentage might be closer to those of vegans though.
(HT @pelle )
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"Everyone is doing it. Projects older than me, and developers who could be seen as role models and important figures in the space are adopting LLMs into their development workflow more readily than anything I'd ever seen. Vim, VLC, gstreamer, Kitty, the Linux Kernel, these are all already actively integrating the lying machine into their workflows.
Am I just being a vegan about it?"
I would argue that we who refuse to use LLMs are more of "AI" antifascists than "AI" vegans. Only one third of voters voted for the nazis. A certain percentage opposed them. But many of those who didn't actively support them turned a blind eye, because they didn't want to make waves, the system benefited them, or at least they had comfortable enough lives under it. It is the same with technofascism*. Until it stops being comfortable/cheap. And then, everyone will always have been against it.
*The percentage might be closer to those of vegans though.
(HT @pelle )
@rhelune @pelle From the link, "Software development is primarily about coming up with solutions that work, a product, an artefact, something your user can run and have it work. And, well, the chat bot can do that just fine."
This is false. A chat bot can reproduce known algorithms (or tbf copies of whole programs) , but software development requires data as well. The data modeling aspects are beypnd the abilities of LLMs.
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@rhelune @pelle From the link, "Software development is primarily about coming up with solutions that work, a product, an artefact, something your user can run and have it work. And, well, the chat bot can do that just fine."
This is false. A chat bot can reproduce known algorithms (or tbf copies of whole programs) , but software development requires data as well. The data modeling aspects are beypnd the abilities of LLMs.
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"Everyone is doing it. Projects older than me, and developers who could be seen as role models and important figures in the space are adopting LLMs into their development workflow more readily than anything I'd ever seen. Vim, VLC, gstreamer, Kitty, the Linux Kernel, these are all already actively integrating the lying machine into their workflows.
Am I just being a vegan about it?"
I would argue that we who refuse to use LLMs are more of "AI" antifascists than "AI" vegans. Only one third of voters voted for the nazis. A certain percentage opposed them. But many of those who didn't actively support them turned a blind eye, because they didn't want to make waves, the system benefited them, or at least they had comfortable enough lives under it. It is the same with technofascism*. Until it stops being comfortable/cheap. And then, everyone will always have been against it.
*The percentage might be closer to those of vegans though.
(HT @pelle )
@rhelune
i think the #vegan comparison to #noAI makes sense, because of the uncompromising boycot.plenty of antifascists are eating chickens, drinking cocacola, using facebook, or driving a car (or even making AI slop!). there isn't one clearly-defined #antifascist boycot movement, is there?
even if i say BDS, some antideutsch will disagree hard on that.
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@rhelune
i think the #vegan comparison to #noAI makes sense, because of the uncompromising boycot.plenty of antifascists are eating chickens, drinking cocacola, using facebook, or driving a car (or even making AI slop!). there isn't one clearly-defined #antifascist boycot movement, is there?
even if i say BDS, some antideutsch will disagree hard on that.
@pelle The boycott is similar to veganism, but resistance to "AI" is similar to resistance to fascist regimes during WW2. Or at least I hope.
When I moved to Germany I expected that by meeting vegans I would meet antifascists. Some of those I met are very Islamophobic, and one even argued for the right of nazis to march and free speech. Everyone has a blind spot.
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"Everyone is doing it. Projects older than me, and developers who could be seen as role models and important figures in the space are adopting LLMs into their development workflow more readily than anything I'd ever seen. Vim, VLC, gstreamer, Kitty, the Linux Kernel, these are all already actively integrating the lying machine into their workflows.
Am I just being a vegan about it?"
I would argue that we who refuse to use LLMs are more of "AI" antifascists than "AI" vegans. Only one third of voters voted for the nazis. A certain percentage opposed them. But many of those who didn't actively support them turned a blind eye, because they didn't want to make waves, the system benefited them, or at least they had comfortable enough lives under it. It is the same with technofascism*. Until it stops being comfortable/cheap. And then, everyone will always have been against it.
*The percentage might be closer to those of vegans though.
(HT @pelle )
@rhelune @pelle I would define 'being a vegan about it' as someone who doesn't support a thing in its core. As in animal exploitation. If you'd be vegan about AI, my question would be if you are fundamentally against the use of a LLM?
And regarding the antifascist movement: there is a divide if antifascist action is fighting nazis or fighting capitalism (aka the core of fascism), so I think it would be rather hard to get to a concensus there.
