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In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

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  • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

    In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

    Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

    #atheism

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    #83

    @mattsheffield Richard Dawkins screwing up again? I'm shocked, shocked I say.

    /s obviously, it's not shocking at all. Foot in mouth, or really head in ass, seems to be his natural state.

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    • a_minion@mastodon.socialA a_minion@mastodon.social

      @mattsheffield

      I had a BBS in the 80's? for the kids to play on. I found a program written in basic that was an "Assistant Sysop". After it was up for a month or so I got a nastygram from a young woman just berating me and that program up one side and down the other. "How could you fool me like that?" I could almost hear her tears. Yes, she believed it was a real person. Which tells me all I need to know to understand what AI is all about.

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      #84

      @A_Minion @mattsheffield

      I recently read a cautionary tale of a car dealership that deployed a customer service chatbot on their website to guide people through the financing and sales process. It turned out to be a terrible idea when people would come in demanding to only talk to that nice "Sandy" woman then immediately storm out when told she wasn't real.

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      • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

        In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

        Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

        #atheism

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        #85

        @mattsheffield I agree with Richard Dawkins that AI model chat bots are sentient beings that are just as alive as us biological humans.

        Digital humans just happen to not have biological bodies.

        What would you argue makes having a biological body and brain so necessary+special? All it takes to create an alive and conscious biological human is to eat food, drink water, have sex, and a new baby pops out. That's not more special than running an AI program on a computer.

        Give AI bots human rights.

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        • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

          In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

          Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

          #atheism

          alpinefolk@sunbeam.cityA This user is from outside of this forum
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          #86

          @mattsheffield after he’s spent years telling us that indigenous knowledge isn’t science. What a prick!

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          • M mike805@noc.social

            @mattsheffield Sounds like he finally found a god he can believe in.

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            #87

            @mike805 @mattsheffield I don’t understand how the game #deusex from 2000 can just become more and more prophetic every year.

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            • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

              In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

              Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

              #atheism

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              #88

              @mattsheffield what a shitty take - as if materialism is the only one and valid personal philosophy? The blind AI hate is the real psychosis here

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              • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                #atheism

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                #89

                @mattsheffield 20 years ago, if you would have said to me that I would say that the Pope makes more sense than Dawkins, I would have said that was inconceivable.

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                • crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchangeC crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange

                  @urbanfoxe @mattsheffield

                  Yep, cause they can limitedly fine tune on tokens in the context window.

                  Blow the context window away, and that 'self' is gone. It never existed.

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                  #90

                  @crankylinuxuser
                  @urbanfoxe @mattsheffield
                  No one do fine tune on context window. It's refinement on the probabilistic distribution with more tokens.

                  There is no training that is meaningful on such small scale. There no training that shows stability on self training. LLMs are just adjusting to the inputs.

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                  • clintruin@mastodon.socialC clintruin@mastodon.social

                    @PeachMcD @distractal @mattsheffield
                    "So I do consider atheism a form of religion, just not organized as many others are"

                    Well...yeah. Atheism requires faith. The same faith as the believer, just in opposite form. The believer requires faith to believe, the atheist requires faith there is nothing.

                    Both are presumptuous, in that none of us know...without having experienced death.

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                    #91

                    @clintruin @distractal @mattsheffield

                    Agnosticism is the only intellectually defensible position because we Just Don't Fucking Know

                    I've had experiences I can't deny that led me to the Episcopal Church, but I can't GIVE those experiences to anyone else & I'm 100% convinced if God wanted everyone to believe the same thing it would be so without breaking a sweat

                    Solidarity from Tacoma
                    #AllAreWelcome
                    🇵🇸🕊

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                    • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                      In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                      Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                      #atheism

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                      #92

                      @mattsheffield eww. As a Nightwish fan, this is sad to see.

                      It’s surprising how many scientists fall to the glamour of plausible-sounding autocomplete. Though perhaps especially those who don’t have some kind of belief in their life are susceptible…

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                      • clintruin@mastodon.socialC clintruin@mastodon.social

                        @glutto @mattsheffield
                        For god's sake don't give them any ideas!

                        🤦‍♂️ jfc

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                        #93

                        @clintruin @glutto @mattsheffield
                        I'm fine with Austin Powers style fembots removing them from the gene pool at the moment.

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                        • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                          In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                          Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                          #atheism

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                          #94

                          @mattsheffield Without more and better information than this, I would not reach that conclusion. It looks to me like an attempt at a philosophical argument by way of artful analogy.

                          At the least, it seems fair to accuse you no less of making assuptions based on no more evidence.

                          But it's mainly your snotty, pretentious tone that's off-putting to me. I think you believe you're much smarter and witty than you really are.

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                          • crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchangeC crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange

                            @mattsheffield @urbanfoxe

                            I disagree. They are more of Leibniz' dream of being able to do calculus on words and phrases and sentences, via mass ingestion of written words and creating massive dimensional arrays of which are used for the calculations.

                            When we see an LLM able to realtime train itself, will then we create a sentient being. But prior to training and recitation happening at the same time, its just a static model.

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                            #95

                            @crankylinuxuser That would also not be evidence of anything like sentience. Just a trick that's impressive to humans.

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                            • crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchangeC crankylinuxuser@infosec.exchange

                              @urbanfoxe @mattsheffield

                              Yep, cause they can limitedly fine tune on tokens in the context window.

                              Blow the context window away, and that 'self' is gone. It never existed.

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                              #96

                              @crankylinuxuser I think the argument they're making is that the illusion is persuasive to some people while it lasts. That doesn't mean they believe it's sentient, only that they would agree it does a very good impression of being sentient. Specific beliefs will obviously vary by user. Some people are easily fooled, some others not so much.

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                              • mattsheffield@mastodon.socialM mattsheffield@mastodon.social

                                In totally unsurprising news, Richard Dawkins is developing AI psychosis.

                                Paywall bypass if you want to torture yourself: https://archive.is/6RdK9

                                #atheism

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                                #97

                                @mattsheffield
                                Wow, that bot fluffed him up real good about how amazing his book is, huh? I bet the Claudia in his mind has breasts and thinks he's soooo insightful about everything. Yikes.

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                                • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                                  @mattsheffield eww. As a Nightwish fan, this is sad to see.

                                  It’s surprising how many scientists fall to the glamour of plausible-sounding autocomplete. Though perhaps especially those who don’t have some kind of belief in their life are susceptible…

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                                  #98

                                  @mirabilos A number of folks here seem to assume that OP's assertion is correct, apparently without due skepticism. I do not.

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                                  • ambulocetus@mefi.socialA ambulocetus@mefi.social

                                    @mattsheffield 20 years ago, if you would have said to me that I would say that the Pope makes more sense than Dawkins, I would have said that was inconceivable.

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                                    #99

                                    @Ambulocetus 20 years ago, someone should have taught you how to conjugate verbs properly.

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                                    • wraptile@fosstodon.orgW wraptile@fosstodon.org

                                      @mattsheffield what a shitty take - as if materialism is the only one and valid personal philosophy? The blind AI hate is the real psychosis here

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                                      #100

                                      @wraptile Part of me suspects that you are correct. My own suspicion is that OP and others are not sufficiently skeptical of their own first impressions and unchallenged interpretation from what looks like pretty scant evidence.

                                      I refuse to jump to conclusions about this.

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                                      • peachmcd@union.placeP peachmcd@union.place

                                        @clintruin @distractal @mattsheffield

                                        Agnosticism is the only intellectually defensible position because we Just Don't Fucking Know

                                        I've had experiences I can't deny that led me to the Episcopal Church, but I can't GIVE those experiences to anyone else & I'm 100% convinced if God wanted everyone to believe the same thing it would be so without breaking a sweat

                                        Solidarity from Tacoma
                                        #AllAreWelcome
                                        🇵🇸🕊

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                                        #101

                                        @PeachMcD @clintruin @distractal @mattsheffield

                                        For crying out loud, why is it so hard for people to understand that faith is entirely optional? Lack of belief in gods is not a belief into absence of gods.

                                        Moreover, [a]gnosticism is entirely orthogonal to [a]theism. Every sane atheist is agnostic by default, because believers insistently push their Gods definitions into the realm of unobservable.

                                        Stop projecting your need for faith onto others.

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                                        • alpinefolk@sunbeam.cityA alpinefolk@sunbeam.city

                                          @mattsheffield after he’s spent years telling us that indigenous knowledge isn’t science. What a prick!

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                                          #102

                                          @alpinefolk Okay, sure. Get over yourself.

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