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  3. a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter).

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  • tubetime@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

    mwichary@mastodon.onlineM tubetime@mastodon.socialT bitsavers@oldbytes.spaceB F tapewolf@meow.socialT 10 Replies Last reply
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    • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

      a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

      mwichary@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @tubetime 7 bits? With a gap in the middle?

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      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

        a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

        tubetime@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        here's an edited version of the last photo. you can see that there are 6 characters (?) per perforation. i found some documentation that specifies 8 tracks plus parity as well as 20 bits per inch. that would correspond with 0.3" between perforations which is super close to the standard for 16mm film. we're on the right track!

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        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

          here's an edited version of the last photo. you can see that there are 6 characters (?) per perforation. i found some documentation that specifies 8 tracks plus parity as well as 20 bits per inch. that would correspond with 0.3" between perforations which is super close to the standard for 16mm film. we're on the right track!

          tubetime@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          added some grid lines so now you can see that there are 9 distinct tracks. the top one has very few transitions, and the track in the middle has none, which seems odd.

          isonno@mastodon.socialI mwichary@mastodon.onlineM tubetime@mastodon.socialT 3 Replies Last reply
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          • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

            added some grid lines so now you can see that there are 9 distinct tracks. the top one has very few transitions, and the track in the middle has none, which seems odd.

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            #5

            @tubetime Looks like some sort of timing track on the top?

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            • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

              added some grid lines so now you can see that there are 9 distinct tracks. the top one has very few transitions, and the track in the middle has none, which seems odd.

              mwichary@mastodon.onlineM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @tubetime Maybe the middle is the 8th bit? Rarely used?

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              • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                here's an edited version of the last photo. you can see that there are 6 characters (?) per perforation. i found some documentation that specifies 8 tracks plus parity as well as 20 bits per inch. that would correspond with 0.3" between perforations which is super close to the standard for 16mm film. we're on the right track!

                philcowans@universeodon.comP This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @tubetime - do you have any idea of the age of the tape?

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                  added some grid lines so now you can see that there are 9 distinct tracks. the top one has very few transitions, and the track in the middle has none, which seems odd.

                  tubetime@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  entered it all into a spreadsheet. from a population count, it seems to have odd parity.

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                  • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                    entered it all into a spreadsheet. from a population count, it seems to have odd parity.

                    tubetime@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    i've found what appears to be a code table! it's not really EBCDIC; other documentation refers to the reader having to translate the code.

                    tubetime@mastodon.socialT raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR scruss@xoxo.zoneS snowfox@tech.lgbtS ruenahcmohr@infosec.exchangeR 6 Replies Last reply
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                    • philcowans@universeodon.comP philcowans@universeodon.com

                      @tubetime - do you have any idea of the age of the tape?

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                      #10

                      @tubetime - in any case, it looks like odd parity to me, but doesn't look like text in either ASCII or EBCDIC in a simple 'mark = 1, no mark = 0' encoding - my understanding is both have a bit which is on for all alphabetical characters, so I'd expect one of the rows to be more frequently populated if that were the case.

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                      • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                        a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

                        bitsavers@oldbytes.spaceB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @tubetime

                        have you looked at the digidata mt/st tape reader documentation on bitsavers?

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                          i've found what appears to be a code table! it's not really EBCDIC; other documentation refers to the reader having to translate the code.

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                          #12

                          going to guess that the center empty track is for the search function. and the topmost bit is rarely used, so that is probably the shift bit (uppercase). if we go in linear order from top to bottom (skipping the middle track), it looks like we're starting to get letters!

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                            a friend of mine sent me these photos of an IBM MT/ST tape (magnetic tape / selectric typewriter). the third photo particularly fascinated me: it shows the flux transitions with a Magnaviewer! is it possible to decode? 🧵

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                            #13

                            @tubetime fascinating abt this model of the selectric, thanks

                            I think this is true:

                            buried very deep in the guts of ATT Unix is a command to print at 23 cps

                            cause that is how fast you can run a selectric before it melts

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                            • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                              going to guess that the center empty track is for the search function. and the topmost bit is rarely used, so that is probably the shift bit (uppercase). if we go in linear order from top to bottom (skipping the middle track), it looks like we're starting to get letters!

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                              #14

                              oh i'm definitely on the right track (pun intended). it seems we have the phrase "The patient<CR><LF>r" encoded onto the tape! it's backwards, but that's ok. i'm also a bit surprised to see <CR><LF> but i guess that means the typewriter wasn't running Unix. IYKYK.

                              penguin42@mastodon.org.ukP heavyimage@mastodon.socialH sverx@mastodon.gamedev.placeS 3 Replies Last reply
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                                i've found what appears to be a code table! it's not really EBCDIC; other documentation refers to the reader having to translate the code.

                                raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @tubetime
                                Programming some sort of machine tool via paper tape?
                                MTT = Machine Tool Tape?

                                I've never seen that. I don't think it's much like EBCDIC?

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                                • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                  i've found what appears to be a code table! it's not really EBCDIC; other documentation refers to the reader having to translate the code.

                                  scruss@xoxo.zoneS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @tubetime bits corresponding to the Selectric's whiffletree linkages?

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                                    oh i'm definitely on the right track (pun intended). it seems we have the phrase "The patient<CR><LF>r" encoded onto the tape! it's backwards, but that's ok. i'm also a bit surprised to see <CR><LF> but i guess that means the typewriter wasn't running Unix. IYKYK.

                                    penguin42@mastodon.org.ukP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @tubetime CR LF makes sense on a typewriter though - that's what the lever on a manual typewriter ends up doing, and it's not that uncommon to manually feed forward so do a LF without a CR.

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                                    • scruss@xoxo.zoneS scruss@xoxo.zone

                                      @tubetime bits corresponding to the Selectric's whiffletree linkages?

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                                      #18

                                      @scruss could be!

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                                      • bitsavers@oldbytes.spaceB bitsavers@oldbytes.space

                                        @tubetime

                                        have you looked at the digidata mt/st tape reader documentation on bitsavers?

                                        tubetime@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #19

                                        @bitsavers no, i should probably do that. 😅

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                                        • tubetime@mastodon.socialT tubetime@mastodon.social

                                          oh i'm definitely on the right track (pun intended). it seems we have the phrase "The patient<CR><LF>r" encoded onto the tape! it's backwards, but that's ok. i'm also a bit surprised to see <CR><LF> but i guess that means the typewriter wasn't running Unix. IYKYK.

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                                          #20

                                          @tubetime this is so cool! Great work!

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