Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@lkundrak @grote and 2 year later you need to pay a small fee of 5$ to unlock the 24 hours wait, if you don't clic on the second step after 5 minutes you need to repay and rewait 24h

[do2sgf@social.darc.de]

@grote Feels like the first step in the #enshittificaton of #android , harshly said...

[razemix@mamutovo.cz]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote https://xkcd.com/2501/

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote I expect that to be helpful, but it's too limited. They're not going to expand out too much because the Graphene author is very very adamant that things must be just so (especially hardware features.)

I also worry they'll pull a OnePlus. They became too commercial and stopped being the open thing they were pretending to be once all the money came in.

What we truly need is a truly open initiative of some sort. But smartphones and tablets have a very particular ecosystem that would be incredibly hard to ever open up at this point. Proprietary, locked down components locked behind NDAs are the norm for even the cheapest devices. It didn't have to be that way, but here we are now.

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote and people in store will never see their post nor comunicate with them, so if preinstall it's a non issue.

[agowa338@chaos.social]

@Li @grote

Nothing to be sorry about here. Everyone that participated in the development of these tools has to apologise.

[exitcode@fosstodon.org]

@grote waiting 1 day is insane!

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@Razemix @FifiSch @grote Ah, sorry. I didn't realize I was being so technical with terms like "tap a few things" and "copy and paste a couple of lines."

It so easy caveman do it. Just do what other say.

Better?

[tezoatlipoca@mas.to]

@lexinova @grote or.. like make a fucking sandbox an official part of the platform, like plugins are sandboxed in the browser. Sideload all the garbage apps you like in sandbox mode, but they get locked the F down and all I/O or perms have to be re-vetted by the user periodically and/or leaves an transaction trail that can be rolled back or whatever.

I mean isn't snap really just a sandboxed-in-user-space-with-additional-restrictions deployment platform?

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@argv_minus_one @FifiSch @grote

If the installation fails for some reason, and leaves your phone in an unbootable state, is there some way to recover it?

Yes. Just reflash the image. In a worst case just flash the stock OS back. But it's pretty hard to mess up to that extent when you're copying and pasting.

Like you'd have to yank the cable out while it's transferring or something.

EDIT: Oh, as a side note, many do dual partitions now. If you flash it flashes to the other. So you can still just simply boot the first which remains untouched.

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@tezoatlipoca @grote but that don't allow them to maintain monopoly so they won't care, google cannot care less about your security.

their end goal is monopoly in android.

[ryanprior@mastodon.social]

@lumi @grote wait, this sounds really good though. Blocks in place for bad actors, super impossible to do by accident, but ultimately still full freedom to install anything you want, with a convenient way to revert to a more restricted install mode after a week passes.

This is _inconvenient_ for sure, but it seems designed to be asymmetrically more inconvenient for threat actors than for legit users. And we need serious meaningful friction to thwart scammers, domestic abusers, and them

[syn@plasmatrap.com]

@grote@chaos.social maybe bro should build an advanced flow for keeping the microphone a consistent distance from his mouth

[li@tech.lgbt]

@agowa338 @grote i mean its more 'sorry that the world is like this'

fuck hierachy, fuck power, fuck masters, fuck kings; no kings no masters, right?

.. but they'll never be effected by something thats supposed to give more power to your masters, and strip power from you;

[tay@tech.lgbt]

@grote a full 24 hour is crazy.

even apple have their security delay be only 1 hour

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@lexinova @FifiSch @grote I'm sorry, I don't understand this post in that context.

[woosh@social.linux.pizza]

@grote It feels reasonable to me. I haven't realized the scale of the scamming problem they are dealing with. Perhaps we, as power users, underestimate this problem but I bet Google has some good amount of data on that.

[lexinova@cyberplace.social]

@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote you don't need to "install" graphene os on the motorola partner.

the motorola graphene edition will already have graphene in it when buying it.

so people who want installing app but don't want to flash their device will naturally buy motorola

[_davd@mastodon.social]

@grote Well that's stupid

[hellomiakoda@pdx.social]

@lumi @grote This is why I put up with constant issues to carry a Linux phone.
Microsoft and Google are the best at convincing me to be patient with #Linux.