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  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

    it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

    no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

    https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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    #4

    @davidgerard "I am Jack's complete lack of surprise." I finally #shitcanned Windows 11 from the meaty ThinkPad I purchased for network protocol labs and the odd OLlama / vLLM HuggingFace model <2 months ago. I just snapped. Microsoft's pushed updates broke running Hyper-V VMs, and Hyper-V itself could not support virtualized performance monitoring correctly because of the forced enablement of virtualization-based security. The incompetence betrays itself. Their one value-add, self- #shitcanned

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

      no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

      https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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      #5

      @davidgerard This was a very interesting read.

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

        no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

        https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

        moses_izumi@fe.disroot.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6
        @davidgerard
        Took them long enough to admit that stock Windows 11 is noticeably worse than stock Win10.
        davidgerard@circumstances.runD librarysquirrel@sunny.gardenL 2 Replies Last reply
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        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

          it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

          no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

          https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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          #7

          @davidgerard I see a suspicious zero amount of "we are going to stop putting ads in the start menu" here. Neither does it say they will stop bait-and-switching in the TOS. Nor remote-installing and remote-deleting applications or even files from my system without permission.

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

            no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

            https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

            androcat@toot.catA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @davidgerard What's their track record on that sort of thing, though?
            Didn't they just release a slew of vibe-coded updates, causing a storm of graphics issues for all manner of platforms?

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            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

              it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

              no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

              https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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              #9

              @davidgerard Seriously, if they don't chop off half of the trash put in over the last twenty years, well... And I'm conservative, saying the half.

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              • androcat@toot.catA androcat@toot.cat

                @davidgerard What's their track record on that sort of thing, though?
                Didn't they just release a slew of vibe-coded updates, causing a storm of graphics issues for all manner of platforms?

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                #10

                @androcat Microsoft has historically been extremely good at playing catchup to a clear target.

                Dunno if they're still up to that task or they've been white-anted badly enough not to be.

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  @androcat Microsoft has historically been extremely good at playing catchup to a clear target.

                  Dunno if they're still up to that task or they've been white-anted badly enough not to be.

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                  #11

                  @davidgerard Good point.

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                  • moses_izumi@fe.disroot.orgM moses_izumi@fe.disroot.org
                    @davidgerard
                    Took them long enough to admit that stock Windows 11 is noticeably worse than stock Win10.
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                    #12

                    @moses_izumi gamers basically got the extra year of Win10 and will probably keep it past EOL

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                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                      it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                      no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                      https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                      #13

                      @davidgerard What is this crap about trying to regain trust? Ok, maybe they might try to win some benchmarks and, given how much software is optimized for Windows, they might even get benches to come out better for them, but trust isn't going to happen because they'll have to RADICALLY change what they're doing with... every single aspect of 11 — every single one — and really just everything they're doing all around and they'd rather go out of business than do that... (Also, even if they suddenly changed on a whim, who would ever trust them? I sure as heck wouldn't...)

                      If they're using SteamOS as their benchmark though, that's amazing. It's pretty much a straight up admission that Linux is there, lol.

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                        no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                        https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                        #14

                        @davidgerard
                        I like they're calling it K2 - they've seen the highest peak they can aspire to, and are frantically climbing the wrong mountain - one that's not as high and kills a higher percentage of people climbing it.

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                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                          it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                          no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                          https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                          #15

                          @davidgerard
                          Microsoft don't realise how bad their experience truely is when compared to linux. They need to ship with drivers built in and decent software options from the get go, and they can't and won't.
                          I can rebuild my daily runner from bare drives and a usb key in under an hour. Never ever have i been able to do that with Windows.

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                            no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                            https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                            @davidgerard No it’s okay I’m good with Linux now. Microsoft, you can stop trying.

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                            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                              it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                              no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                              https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                              #17

                              @davidgerard I'm sure Gaming Copilot will help with this

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                              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                @androcat Microsoft has historically been extremely good at playing catchup to a clear target.

                                Dunno if they're still up to that task or they've been white-anted badly enough not to be.

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                                #18
                                @davidgerard @androcat A demoralized and diminished workforce after all the layoffs probably isn't going to get them there...
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                                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                  it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                                  no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                                  https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                                  #19

                                  @davidgerard

                                  Windows Exec: "Ok guys, whatever you need, we're gonna make this right and win users trust back. What are the pain points for people with Win 11?"

                                  K2 Devs: "It looks like from our data people mainly don't like AI and how their OS spies on them, so we've drafted a proposal to remove those features."

                                  Windows Exec: "Wellp, we tried, looks like there's nothing we can do but shut down the K2 initiative. A real shame, real shame."

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                                    no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                                    https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                                    #20

                                    @davidgerard trust: once it's gone, it's gone

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                                    • woltiv@mastodon.socialW woltiv@mastodon.social

                                      @davidgerard No it’s okay I’m good with Linux now. Microsoft, you can stop trying.

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                                      #21

                                      @woltiv @davidgerard I switched the ol' desktop from 2010 and "TV laptop" from 2015 from Win10 to #Q4OS last year, and noticed that Lord of the Rings Online (a Windows game) runs *better* on those than it did in Windows.

                                      For normal use (Vivaldi, VLC, torrenting, file and media server, etc.) things are far better than they were in Windows...

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                                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                        it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                                        no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                                        https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                                        #22

                                        @davidgerard

                                        Every time I talked to the Windows team, I was told that backwards compatibility was the reason that they couldn't do refactorings to improve security / performance / programmer model.

                                        Then I'd go home and run old Windows apps on my Mac under WINE that failed to start under Windows 10.

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                                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                          it's possible that one day Windows might catch up to Linux in gaming performance

                                          no really, Microsoft is literally using SteamOS as its benchmark and working hard to catch up to it in performance, this is not a drill

                                          https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11

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                                          #23

                                          @davidgerard It would be highly funny to me if enough companies decided to optimize their games to work with the SteamDeck/SteamOS, MS would be forced to maintain compatibility with WINE instead of the other way around

                                          And on that day, I would laugh my ass off

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