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  3. Emigrating has generally been a very, very complicated and difficult task, but by far the hardest aspect has been relearning how to use a knife and fork.

Emigrating has generally been a very, very complicated and difficult task, but by far the hardest aspect has been relearning how to use a knife and fork.

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  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

    I thought everyone knew this but ....
    Neurodivergent story time!

    In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

    America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

    You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

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    #111

    @hacks4pancakes I asked my American friends about this and none of them ever heard about this...? All of them eat with fork in let hand, knife in right hand, as they were taught.

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    • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

      I thought everyone knew this but ....
      Neurodivergent story time!

      In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

      America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

      You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

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      #112

      @hacks4pancakes In a world with so many problems it is really weird that people pay attention to how other people use fork and knife.

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      • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

        I thought everyone knew this but ....
        Neurodivergent story time!

        In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

        America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

        You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

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        #113

        @hacks4pancakes as someone who went through ups and downs myself, people accept you as a foreigner trying and then you accept to yourself (harder) that you are a foreigner trying as well. It takes a few years. I use knife on left hand fork on right. If someone has a comment I reply I am left handed only when eating (i am not) 😄 😄

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        • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

          @loke @hacks4pancakes I thought that there was a rule that left-handed people can use the opposite hands.

          So left-hand knife, right-hand fork.

          And Hacks, I vaguely recall a post from ages ago where you mentioned you're left handed?

          So you might have an out there?

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          #114

          @aj @loke @hacks4pancakes Left handed USian here. Left hand fork, tines down. Right hand knife, no switching. ¯\(ツ)/¯

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          • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

            I thought everyone knew this but ....
            Neurodivergent story time!

            In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

            America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

            You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

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            #115

            @hacks4pancakes No kidding! I did not know that. 🙂

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            • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

              I thought everyone knew this but ....
              Neurodivergent story time!

              In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

              America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

              You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

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              #116

              @hacks4pancakes @catsalad I’ve met people who eat this way and I marvel.

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              • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                I thought everyone knew this but ....
                Neurodivergent story time!

                In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

                America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

                You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

                cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #117

                @hacks4pancakes Wow, I'd ignorantly interpreted switching fork hands as a lack of "correct" dining etiquette, someone choosing to use their dominant right and instead of the "correct" left one.

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                • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                  I thought everyone knew this but ....
                  Neurodivergent story time!

                  In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

                  America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

                  You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

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                  #118

                  @hacks4pancakes I am a left handed American, and I use the most efficient approach for me: fork in left hand, no switching. The "right" way was pointed out to me when I was young and I just ignored it. I suggest just continuing to use the style of eating you grew up with. People might notice and figure out where you are from, but they will catch on to that anyway.

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                  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                    I thought everyone knew this but ....
                    Neurodivergent story time!

                    In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

                    America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

                    You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

                    denny@boing.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #119

                    @hacks4pancakes I eat like this, and I am not American nor raised by one. I makes more sense to me - I'm right-handed, so I want to hold the most active implement in my right hand. I don't get why we're taught to use our less coordinated hand to hold a pointy stick that we're about to wave near our face.

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                    • tanyakaroli@expressional.socialT tanyakaroli@expressional.social

                      @kristinHenry ah, I see that this process slows down eating substantially. That could have good health benefits (whereas I wolf down my food, which apparently is not good for you). Interesting, thanks!
                      @hacks4pancakes

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                      #120

                      @tanyakaroli @hacks4pancakes It certainly slows down eating things that require cutting with a knife while held with a fork. 🙂

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                      • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                        I thought everyone knew this but ....
                        Neurodivergent story time!

                        In the era of French aristocracy, American culture was just starting to get posh. And Americans (colonists then citizens) at the time decided great high class table manners meant copying high French fashion. So they adopted this weird "zig zag" method of eating where we only eat with the fork in our right hands facing up like you'd scoop food, but also only use the knife in our right hands. So every time you cut something you set the fork down and switch hands, then switch back. We can't eat with a fork in our left hand (if we were raised with strict table manners that don't care about handedness).

                        America did that big revolution and our big freedom thing and never switched back. The rest of the world moved on to knife in the right hand, fork in the left turned downward whilst cutting stuff.

                        You can always tell an American while eating by how we use the knife and fork. It's how they caught spies in WWII. Turns out it is incredibly hard to relearn XD

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                        #121

                        @hacks4pancakes It's also how you can tell when an American actor is playing an Englishman 😝 while Downey does cut his food with the knife in his right hand in this clip, it would be unusual in the extreme to see a non-American adult put their food in their mouth with this weird fork grip 👉 https://youtu.be/388-rOzD9SM?si=o_q051bexJXzCJtS&t=239

                        Americans appear to be far more likely than most other people to hold their fork vertically, like a microphone they're about to sing into, when putting food in their mouth.

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