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Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

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  • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

    Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

    That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

    https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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    #6

    @davidho That reminds me this: https://www.thejuicemedia.com/honest-government-ad-carbon-capture-and-storage/

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    • mvb19@mastodon.socialM mvb19@mastodon.social

      @davidho so, how many do we need to compensate? 36000, something like that to break-even?

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      #7

      @MvB19 @davidho

      31 million seconds in a year. So 310 million CCS plants of this capacity? It’s the largest one in Germany, you know.

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      • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

        Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

        That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

        https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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        #8

        @davidho and how much did it create just to install it?

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        • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

          Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

          That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

          https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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          #9

          @davidho And another one that will be competing with consumers’ use and data centers’ use of electricity from the grid….ugh stupid.

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          • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

            Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

            That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

            https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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            #10

            @davidho

            Surtout quand le but est en réalité d'extraire plus de pétrole ! 🤬

            https://climatejustice.social/@ketan/116853454066239859

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            • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

              Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

              That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

              https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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              #11

              @davidho Such a large facility just to negate the CO₂ footprint of 14-18 Germans. 😂

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              • madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.netM madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.net

                @davidho

                I take it that you did not bother to read the article, but just started the snark-generator right away?

                From the article:

                "But the plant is not built to move tonnage. It is built to prove a process."

                Seriously, being able to run a carbon capture on electricity alone is significant if it can be done at scale, and the way I understand the article, that is what they are trying to prove.

                Yes, the amount of carbon captured is - again, according to the article - a mere rounding error in the grand scheme of things, but the future ramifications of a functioning electrical carbon capture are huge.

                The process can be scaled up or down, depending on the amount of surplus green electricity in the grid, making it truly "green", compared to other methods that includes chemical reagents in the capture process.

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                #12

                @madsenandersc @davidho or they could just plant some trees instead.

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                • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                  Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

                  That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

                  https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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                  #13

                  @davidho Is it more suspect now, that we have viruses resembling #greenwashing, gone awry?

                  *sigh*

                  We're so screwed.

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                  • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                    Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

                    That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

                    https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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                    #14

                    @davidho not to mention that it would probably be much more efficient to remove carbon from thick air

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                    • madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.netM madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.net

                      @davidho

                      I take it that you did not bother to read the article, but just started the snark-generator right away?

                      From the article:

                      "But the plant is not built to move tonnage. It is built to prove a process."

                      Seriously, being able to run a carbon capture on electricity alone is significant if it can be done at scale, and the way I understand the article, that is what they are trying to prove.

                      Yes, the amount of carbon captured is - again, according to the article - a mere rounding error in the grand scheme of things, but the future ramifications of a functioning electrical carbon capture are huge.

                      The process can be scaled up or down, depending on the amount of surplus green electricity in the grid, making it truly "green", compared to other methods that includes chemical reagents in the capture process.

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                      #15

                      @madsenandersc @davidho But that would require surplus green energy in the grid to begin with

                      Like I'm not knocking the idea straight off the bat, but I do think this would need to NOT be a standalone plant, but something that could be implemented as a standard feature in every single factory, to function on the factory's manufacturing heat or exhaust pressure as opposed to electricity on the grid

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                      • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                        Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

                        That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

                        https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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                        #16

                        @davidho I wonder how much CO2 Sodastream sell around the world, in a single day? I'm guessing they buy their gas from companies like Afrox which sell liquid nitrogen and other atmospheric gases, for whom a bit of CO2 is an industrial byproduct

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                        • stoori@polyglot.cityS stoori@polyglot.city

                          @davidho not to mention that it would probably be much more efficient to remove carbon from thick air

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                          #17

                          @Stoori @davidho

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                          • nick_appleyard@mastodonapp.ukN nick_appleyard@mastodonapp.uk

                            @MvB19 @davidho

                            31 million seconds in a year. So 310 million CCS plants of this capacity? It’s the largest one in Germany, you know.

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                            #18

                            @nick_appleyard @davidho that's a lot, thank you for the calculation. This would create an equilibrium only. Need more te revert... I think this is not feasible.

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                            • chris_e_simpson@hachyderm.ioC chris_e_simpson@hachyderm.io

                              @davidho the article does mention that this is only a proof of concept. Are you skeptical that it proves anything of value?

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                              #19

                              @chris_e_simpson @davidho that is such a miserable fraction though that it does not prove the concept at all.

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                              • s_d_brath@mastodon.socialS s_d_brath@mastodon.social

                                @madsenandersc @davidho or they could just plant some trees instead.

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                                #20

                                @s_d_brath @davidho

                                No, planting trees would not be useful for two reasons.

                                1) Trees are a relatively short term storage solution. Yes, we do have trees here in Denmark that are several hundred years old, but many types of pine dies after 100 years or so. Once they die, they rot and release the stored CO2 again. Unless they have been caught in a forest fire. Or was in the way of a property development plan. Or...

                                2) The article mentions that they are looking to provide the CO2 for e-fuel production. We can't realistically replace all fossil fuel processes with electric ones in a useful time frame, and in those cases you can either go with pure hydrogen (which is a bloody bastard to work with in so many ways), or you can add some carbon molecules and have hydrocarbons, which probably is compatible with everything running on natural gas today.

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                                • mimesatwork@wandering.shopM mimesatwork@wandering.shop

                                  @madsenandersc @davidho But that would require surplus green energy in the grid to begin with

                                  Like I'm not knocking the idea straight off the bat, but I do think this would need to NOT be a standalone plant, but something that could be implemented as a standard feature in every single factory, to function on the factory's manufacturing heat or exhaust pressure as opposed to electricity on the grid

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                                  #21

                                  @Mimesatwork @davidho

                                  True, surplus green electricity is not a given, but at least the electricity (surplus or not) CAN be CO2 neutral - that is not necessarily the case with other CCS-technologies.

                                  That said, this technology is still a decade or more away from really large scale deployment, so a lot can - and will - happen to the electricity production in the meantime.

                                  I'm not sure that I completely follow your last part - do you suggest that the electricity for the carbon capture system should come from waste heat from the industrial production in front of it, and the carbon capture should happen on site?

                                  My understanding of the article is that this process is for atmospheric air, not exhaust from an industrial production, but I may have gotten that wrong.

                                  Also, I really don't think that producing electricity on site is financially viable. There is a reason why the majority of wind power in Denmark is offshore- those turbines are gigantic, but they are efficient like nothing else. Bigger really do mean better in this case, at least up to a point.

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                                  • madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.netM madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @s_d_brath @davidho

                                    No, planting trees would not be useful for two reasons.

                                    1) Trees are a relatively short term storage solution. Yes, we do have trees here in Denmark that are several hundred years old, but many types of pine dies after 100 years or so. Once they die, they rot and release the stored CO2 again. Unless they have been caught in a forest fire. Or was in the way of a property development plan. Or...

                                    2) The article mentions that they are looking to provide the CO2 for e-fuel production. We can't realistically replace all fossil fuel processes with electric ones in a useful time frame, and in those cases you can either go with pure hydrogen (which is a bloody bastard to work with in so many ways), or you can add some carbon molecules and have hydrocarbons, which probably is compatible with everything running on natural gas today.

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                                    #22

                                    @madsenandersc @s_d_brath @davidho A short term storage system that self-propagates and that can serve as a low/no maintenance bulwark to buy us time we desperately need while we work on longer term solutions.

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                                    • davidho@mastodon.worldD davidho@mastodon.world

                                      Wow, removing 150 tonnes of CO₂ per year out of thin air!

                                      That's a time machine that takes a year to bring us back to an atmosphere we had 0.1 second ago (i.e., less time than it took to read this post).

                                      https://power-to-x.swiss/2026/07/15/ucaneo-germanys-largest-direct-air-capture-plant/

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                                      @davidho It's crazy, isn't it. A single small-scale LEILAC lime kiln can avoid 30,000 tonnes a year of CO2 emissions (and 100,000 to 500,000+ for a full scale plant), but somehow that doesn't make the news...).

                                      Oh, and it's also cost competitive with the fossil alternative too.

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                                      • whitecattamer@mastodon.onlineW whitecattamer@mastodon.online

                                        @madsenandersc @s_d_brath @davidho A short term storage system that self-propagates and that can serve as a low/no maintenance bulwark to buy us time we desperately need while we work on longer term solutions.

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                                        #24

                                        @WhiteCatTamer @s_d_brath @davidho

                                        You conveniently skipped part two of my answer. 🙂

                                        I'm not saying that planting trees is a bad idea, it's just not the solution for the problem they're trying to solve here. They want to capture CO2 in order to be able to either use it for e-fuel production or to store it in the ground permanently.

                                        Storing CO2 in trees will accomplish neither of those goals.

                                        But, as you said, as a short term solution for simply removing CO2 from the air, planting trees is a no-brainer that might buy us another couple of decades to find more permanent solutions.

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                                        • madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.netM madsenandersc@social.vivaldi.net

                                          @WhiteCatTamer @s_d_brath @davidho

                                          You conveniently skipped part two of my answer. 🙂

                                          I'm not saying that planting trees is a bad idea, it's just not the solution for the problem they're trying to solve here. They want to capture CO2 in order to be able to either use it for e-fuel production or to store it in the ground permanently.

                                          Storing CO2 in trees will accomplish neither of those goals.

                                          But, as you said, as a short term solution for simply removing CO2 from the air, planting trees is a no-brainer that might buy us another couple of decades to find more permanent solutions.

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                                          #25

                                          @madsenandersc @s_d_brath @davidho So your point is not that tree planting isn’t useful, which is what you said, but that it isn’t part of the plan for this organization, which sells itself by highlighting the carbon it has captured instead of the fuel it has produced, the amount of which is far, far smaller than what a small forest can capture at a fraction of the startup cost.

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