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  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

    bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.beB This user is from outside of this forum
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    bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.be
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    #5

    @randahl MS, AWS… then all #eu companies and institutions will also start to know their dependencies on #us tech
    (edit: fixed a typo)

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    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

      om@witter.czO This user is from outside of this forum
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      #6

      @randahl
      The best retaliation would be to *allow* competition from local companies, namely by scrapping the anti-circumvention provisions of our copyright law. It is an indiscriminate law forbidding infinite number of (otherwise) perfectly legal activities with one’s device that should have never been mandated in the first place. It allows many abuses like monopoly on app distribution, bricking of medical ventilators etc.:

      https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalition #EndAnticircumvention #RepealArticle6 #BigTech

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      • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

        When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

        Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

        Hit those Zuckerbergs.

        dave@europhiles.ukD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #7

        @randahl
        100% agree. Fair and legal taxation of digital and online services.

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        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

          carsten@minnesotasocial.netC This user is from outside of this forum
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          #8

          @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

          swggrkllr3rd@mastodon.worldS crcollins@writing.exchangeC japipes@zirk.usJ jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.ptJ alderforrest@1m2lab.anvil.topA 5 Replies Last reply
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          • bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.beB bigbelgianbopper@mastodon-belgium.be

            @randahl MS, AWS… then all #eu companies and institutions will also start to know their dependencies on #us tech
            (edit: fixed a typo)

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            paul_stilgar@mastodon.social
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            #9

            @bigbelgianbopper @randahl

            And these companies need the European money ….

            #boycottusa

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            • carsten@minnesotasocial.netC carsten@minnesotasocial.net

              @randahl and maybe small action for everyone... Download and share to other social media... Have your kids make a tiktok...

              swggrkllr3rd@mastodon.worldS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #10

              @carsten @randahl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmFVQKfELpE

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              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                ilka4you@mastodon.socialI This user is from outside of this forum
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                #11

                @randahl and clouds! Besos' dream is to have no more personal computers in households but instead everything in his clouds.

                Imagine this horror & terror coming true.

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                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                  jhb17@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  jhb17@mastodon.online
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                  #12

                  @randahl

                  I've been waiting - hoping - to see the EU ban Twitter. Send a message that no man is too big to get around the EU digital laws.

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                  • om@witter.czO om@witter.cz

                    @randahl
                    The best retaliation would be to *allow* competition from local companies, namely by scrapping the anti-circumvention provisions of our copyright law. It is an indiscriminate law forbidding infinite number of (otherwise) perfectly legal activities with one’s device that should have never been mandated in the first place. It allows many abuses like monopoly on app distribution, bricking of medical ventilators etc.:

                    https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/#the-new-coalition #EndAnticircumvention #RepealArticle6 #BigTech

                    cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #13

                    @om @randahl That's valid, too, but it's not an instant solution. (EU corps can't just throw a switch and offer a no-DRM-on-this-tractor-engine product: there are massive startup/R&D costs). Whereas tariffs on use of US big tech *is* a fast smackdown (although there's a secondary chilling effect on the EU companies paying for them).

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                    • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                      When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                      Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                      Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                      bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #14

                      @randahl

                      Also: A really good time to enact the Tobin-Tax.

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                      • singlepenny@mastodon.socialS singlepenny@mastodon.social

                        @randahl how

                        gbargoud@masto.nycG This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #15

                        @randahl @singlepenny

                        @pluralistic has a bunch of suggestions about removing all of the laws protecting devices from being jail broken that the US has bullied pretty much every country into adding to their books as a start

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                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

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                          #16

                          @randahl massive financial and visibility support to free and open source European alternatives would be just enough

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                          • bsdphk@fosstodon.orgB bsdphk@fosstodon.org

                            @randahl

                            Also: A really good time to enact the Tobin-Tax.

                            reggiehere@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #17

                            @bsdphk

                            I've yet to see a time that wasn't!

                            @randahl

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                            • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                              When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                              Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                              Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                              spmrider@berlin.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #18

                              @randahl They made a pilot, but neither could someone make an Excel sheet on the effects, nor could someone present the results with Powerpoint. So nobody knows what they found.

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                              • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                reggiehere@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                reggiehere@mastodon.social
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                                #19

                                @randahl

                                Europe should look to our niece (the USA) for the solution and treat American digital services in the same way that America treated TikTok.

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                                • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                  When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                  Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                  Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                  n1xnx@tilde.zoneN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #20

                                  @randahl
                                  Also, I recommend Cory Doctorow's suggestion to revoke anti-circumvention laws and encourage reverse engineering of digital products. Hits the tech titans in the monopoly, where it will hurt most, and offers economic benefits.

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                                  • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                    When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                    Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                    Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                    lemgandi@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #21

                                    @randahl

                                    REPEAL ANTI-CIRCUMVENTION LAWS

                                    ". . . if someone threatens to burn your house down unless you follow orders, and then they burn it down anyway, you really don't have to keep following their orders."

                                    ( Cory Doctorow )

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                                    • reggiehere@mastodon.socialR reggiehere@mastodon.social

                                      @randahl

                                      Europe should look to our niece (the USA) for the solution and treat American digital services in the same way that America treated TikTok.

                                      sidereal@kolektiva.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #22

                                      @ReggieHere @randahl what happened with tiktok in the USA was that Trump started to criticize it, then Biden started legislation against it because he did whatever Trump wanted. Trump used this as an example of how Biden was out of touch and aping him, and then by the time the legislation passed, Trump was in power again and used “bringing back Tiktok” as some propaganda victory. I don’t know why you would want to emulate anything about this but go for it.

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                                      • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                                        @ReggieHere @randahl what happened with tiktok in the USA was that Trump started to criticize it, then Biden started legislation against it because he did whatever Trump wanted. Trump used this as an example of how Biden was out of touch and aping him, and then by the time the legislation passed, Trump was in power again and used “bringing back Tiktok” as some propaganda victory. I don’t know why you would want to emulate anything about this but go for it.

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                                        #23

                                        @sidereal @randahl

                                        The ban on TikTok is still ongoing and due to be completed by Jan 23rd 2026.

                                        TikTok is still operational in the United States because it is due to be divested from ByteDance into U.S. control under the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act (2024).

                                        Since all US social media companies are tools for foreign influence and propaganda, the exact same security concerns apply in Europe.

                                        https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/application-of-protecting-americans-from-foreign-adversary-controlled-applications-act-to-tiktok/

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                                        • randahl@mastodon.socialR randahl@mastodon.social

                                          When retaliating against Trump, I hope the EU targets digital services.

                                          Tariffs on Amazon and Facebook incentivises a digital decoupling from the the US, it shows Trump's oligarchs, that supporting Trump is the road to ruin, while NOT preventing the poor from putting food on the table.

                                          Hit those Zuckerbergs.

                                          karppinen@mastodon.onlineK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #24

                                          @randahl @masek absolutely, but right now we're just totally fucked in terms of reliance on AWS and Azure, essentially nothing in Europe will work if cloud access is disrupted. So digital services has an escalation ladder that is especially dangerous to Europe. I hope that changes soon, but it won't change soon enough

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