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  3. Starting today, USB-C is the mandatory charging standard for all laptops sold in the EU.

Starting today, USB-C is the mandatory charging standard for all laptops sold in the EU.

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  • geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG geoffl@mastodon.me.uk

    @SamantazFox @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle

    I've got 25W chargers with incompatible power negotiation protocols from each other. 60W chargers that only charge devices some at 15W. Phones than only charge at the fastest speed with the manufacturers charger even if other chargers claim to support the same protocol. The best thing to do is upgrade all your chargers and cables every year, only keeping specific old combinations for certain devices. Same e-waste different hat.

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    #83

    @SamantazFox @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle

    And don't even let me get started on data transfer speed differences.

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    • geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG geoffl@mastodon.me.uk

      @SamantazFox @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle

      I've got 25W chargers with incompatible power negotiation protocols from each other. 60W chargers that only charge devices some at 15W. Phones than only charge at the fastest speed with the manufacturers charger even if other chargers claim to support the same protocol. The best thing to do is upgrade all your chargers and cables every year, only keeping specific old combinations for certain devices. Same e-waste different hat.

      samantazfox@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #84

      @geoffl @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle Well, at least now you can request a refund if you get sold such a device, at it is cannot be legally sold in the EU.

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      • samantazfox@infosec.exchangeS samantazfox@infosec.exchange

        @geoffl @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle When you're dealing with that much power (up to 240W) it's indeed smart for the charger to check that the cable is actually rated accordingly, rather than burning your house down.

        As for the protocol, it *must* be USB PD, super simple, no fiddling around.

        The only drawback might be the markings (as the USB if is quite bad at this), though from a quick glance at the law it seems that it's being worked on (at least for the chargers).

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        #85

        @SamantazFox
        But still, "one cable" is a broken promise.
        @geoffl @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission

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        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

          Starting today, USB-C is the mandatory charging standard for all laptops sold in the EU.

          We are putting an end to cable clutter and unnecessary costs for citizens.

          One cable, any brand, less electronic waste.

          We are delivering a simpler, more sustainable digital future for Europe.

          More: https://link.europa.eu/QDMFTh

          sandfrog@social.grautier.euS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #86

          @EUCommission Well-intentioned but poorly executed: which USB-C? You didn't specify that just as you failed to specify a charging standard. Consequently, we are once again left needing hundreds of different cables and chargers.

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          • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

            Starting today, USB-C is the mandatory charging standard for all laptops sold in the EU.

            We are putting an end to cable clutter and unnecessary costs for citizens.

            One cable, any brand, less electronic waste.

            We are delivering a simpler, more sustainable digital future for Europe.

            More: https://link.europa.eu/QDMFTh

            lstn2urmama@mstdn.caL This user is from outside of this forum
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            #87

            @EUCommission wish that was true for anything and everything USB and at least a good length of cord ...

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            • geoffl@mastodon.me.ukG geoffl@mastodon.me.uk

              @SamantazFox @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle

              And don't even let me get started on data transfer speed differences.

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              #88

              @geoffl @SamantazFox @mmalc @EUCommission @jnfingerle
              Or USB-C cables with chips or without, or chips that lie about the speed.
              At least the Philips USB- to C cable in shop had "USB-2.0" large on the front and some others have 480 Mbps (=USB 2 max). Most have no indication.
              So far all USB-3 USB-A to USB-C cables have been real. You can see the extra 5 contacts & usually blue tongue.
              I bought a USB cable tester that displays connections & chip data if any. All but 1 USB C-C are simple USB 2.0.😞

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              • samantazfox@infosec.exchangeS samantazfox@infosec.exchange

                @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle Mandating USB-C doesn't prevent crappy vendors from misusing the connector, badly implenting the standard or maliciously complying.

                It however improves the overall user experience, by e.g requiring a single charger and cable for your iPhone, your partner's Pixel and your daughter's Kindle.

                Different product categories will obviously still require different charging bricks due power requirements.

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                #89

                @SamantazFox @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle

                "It however improves the overall user experience”

                Not really, precisely per your own follow-up:

                "The only drawback might be the markings (as the USB if is quite bad at this)”

                That's exactly the point I made. 🤦‍♂️

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                • samantazfox@infosec.exchangeS samantazfox@infosec.exchange

                  @geoffl @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle Well, at least now you can request a refund if you get sold such a device, at it is cannot be legally sold in the EU.

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                  #90

                  @SamantazFox @mmalc @raymaccarthy @EUCommission @jnfingerle

                  The EU have banned selling chargers for my old devices? It's worse than I thought.

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                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                    Starting today, USB-C is the mandatory charging standard for all laptops sold in the EU.

                    We are putting an end to cable clutter and unnecessary costs for citizens.

                    One cable, any brand, less electronic waste.

                    We are delivering a simpler, more sustainable digital future for Europe.

                    More: https://link.europa.eu/QDMFTh

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                    #91

                    @EUCommission
                    Good! Now, if you really want a more sustainable digital future: regulate generative AI, support FOSS (in mobile phones too: I want to install the OS I want on my phone) and stop Google from locking down Android!

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                    • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                      Starting today, USB-C is the mandatory charging standard for all laptops sold in the EU.

                      We are putting an end to cable clutter and unnecessary costs for citizens.

                      One cable, any brand, less electronic waste.

                      We are delivering a simpler, more sustainable digital future for Europe.

                      More: https://link.europa.eu/QDMFTh

                      glitchy404@wetdry.worldG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      glitchy404@wetdry.world
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                      #92

                      @EUCommission i've never seen this used for charging?

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