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Generative AI is a Faustian bargain.

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  • jack@xeno.glyphpress.comJ jack@xeno.glyphpress.com

    @benlockwood That's a heck of a claim when some of us are using AI as a prosthesis for things like poor executive function or ADHD.

    I have an AI assistant I've set up to have context about all my projects & their status.

    If I have a bad brain day where I'm foggy/can't focus, I can ask the AI to help me figure out what I should be working on.

    That makes me MORE myself, not less.

    And anyway, I'll take a handshake with Lucifer over Yahweh any day. The Devil has integrity.

    #ai #llm #disability

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    @jack You are infantilizing not only yourself, but everyone who struggles with poor executive function. Not only this, you are surrendering your brain, your agency, to some of the worst people on the planet. For the benefit of us all, stop being a booster and go fuck yourself. @benlockwood

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    • jimmylittle@hachyderm.ioJ jimmylittle@hachyderm.io

      @benlockwood @Gargron Depends on how you use it. I think it makes me better because I let AI organize my files and deal with mundane task management, giving me more time for my hobbies and creative pursuits.

      Let the robot do the robot stuff, and free up the humans to do more humane things.

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      #75

      @jimmylittle @benlockwood You can’t organize your files yourself? 😂

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      • gargron@mastodon.socialG gargron@mastodon.social

        @jimmylittle @benlockwood You can’t organize your files yourself? 😂

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        #76

        @Gargron @benlockwood I _can_, but why would I? I have more interesting things to do with my time, like make stuff.

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        • megamichelle@a2mi.socialM megamichelle@a2mi.social

          @benlockwood

          I always say that AI is like the One Ring. You think it's serving you, but it really only serves its master.

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          #77

          @MegaMichelle @benlockwood it will make us into a Smeagol

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          • benlockwood@ecoevo.socialB benlockwood@ecoevo.social

            Generative AI is a Faustian bargain. Every use of it weakens you. Maybe you occasionally save a few minutes, but you are diminished for it. With each use you are further from your human potential.

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            #78

            @benlockwood This is the best phrasing of my personal feelings on the matter that I have ever seen.

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            • wronglang@bayes.clubW wronglang@bayes.club

              @MegaMichelle @benlockwood sharing just in case you haven't seen this yet

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              #79

              @wronglang @MegaMichelle @benlockwood

              One does not simply use AI as a tool.

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              • tylnesh@fosstodon.orgT tylnesh@fosstodon.org

                @benlockwood electrically powered tools are a faustian bargain. Every use of them weakens you...

                Electric drill diminishes your use of muscles that could've been used for hammering nails manually

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                #80

                @tylnesh @benlockwood

                That is an unfair comparison, since power tools allow you to do stuff you could never to by muscle power alone.

                However, your example with the contact list is more fitting ... because does anyone know a or the phone number to call when they're in trouble? Not 112/999/911, but a person who will help you. I do, but only one and only because that number hasn't changed all my life and I am not the youngest any more. And yes, it bothers me from time to time.

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                • ochotonidknight@meemu.orgO ochotonidknight@meemu.org

                  @jack You are infantilizing not only yourself, but everyone who struggles with poor executive function. Not only this, you are surrendering your brain, your agency, to some of the worst people on the planet. For the benefit of us all, stop being a booster and go fuck yourself. @benlockwood

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                  #81

                  @OchotonidKnight What are you getting out of being so rude to a stranger?

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                  • mathew@universeodon.comM mathew@universeodon.com

                    @jack @corigan01 @benlockwood There are people who suffer from depression who talk to chatbots when they have a bad day. They say it helps, and that interacting with a relentlessly friendly bot is more helpful than the difficult task of going out and interacting with humans. I think what they’re doing is incredibly dangerous. These tools lack robust behavior safeguards, and are literally designed to suck you in and make you dependent and addicted. But hey, I hope it works out for you and doesn’t harm you.

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                    #82

                    @mathew @corigan01 @benlockwood Yeahno I have a therapist for that.

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                    • whizzter@peoplemaking.gamesW whizzter@peoplemaking.games

                      @jack @benlockwood I read the OP as using it for actual creative/engineering tasks rather than an assistant.

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                      #83

                      @whizzter @benlockwood Yeah, I don't use it for creative tasks. I use it for all the boring business shit so that I can focus on the cool stuff.

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                      • tylnesh@fosstodon.orgT tylnesh@fosstodon.org

                        @benlockwood electrically powered tools are a faustian bargain. Every use of them weakens you...

                        Electric drill diminishes your use of muscles that could've been used for hammering nails manually

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                        #84

                        @tylnesh @benlockwood made use of my bit and brace just a few weekends ago to hog out a pair of large mortises before going at it with a chisel.

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                        • sproid@bohio.icuS sproid@bohio.icu

                          @MamaLake@beige.party @benlockwood@ecoevo.social blocking anti-AI or pro-AI people? Or regardless of their stance, blocking people that used bad arguments and/or know little of what they were defending?
                          I have an idea but, I'm genuinely curious about your answer.

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                          #85

                          @Sproid @benlockwood genuinely blocking people based on vibes, bad arguments, unwillingness to take accountability for their own actions, willingness to commit ecocide and plagerism because it helps them think better, etc etc etc

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                          • mamalake@beige.partyM mamalake@beige.party

                            @Sproid @benlockwood genuinely blocking people based on vibes, bad arguments, unwillingness to take accountability for their own actions, willingness to commit ecocide and plagerism because it helps them think better, etc etc etc

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                            #86

                            @MamaLake @Sproid

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                            • wraptile@fosstodon.orgW wraptile@fosstodon.org

                              @benlockwood I don't think that's necessarily true.

                              Sure if you don't ride the bike every day you're worse bike rider but finishing races also makes you a better bike rider.

                              I'm a senior dev and consider myself a good'ish coder and while LLMs do make me worse at memorizing APIs I ship so much more which on it's own a very useful skill to train.

                              At the end of the day it's just another computer. If you use the one that's in your skull as well then you'll be just perfectly fine.

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                              #87

                              @wraptile @benlockwood

                              I think that the cautionary tale here is that with vibe coding it's easy to become lazy and ignorant. In other words, it's easy to become like your manager, or worse even - like your CEO.

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                              • benlockwood@ecoevo.socialB benlockwood@ecoevo.social

                                @MamaLake @Sproid

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                                #88

                                @benlockwood @Sproid I wish I could pin this to my profile

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                                • mamalake@beige.partyM mamalake@beige.party

                                  @benlockwood @Sproid I wish I could pin this to my profile

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                                  @MamaLake @benlockwood @Sproid you could put it as the header, pfp or in metadata...

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                                  • qccechris@mastodon.socialQ qccechris@mastodon.social

                                    @MamaLake @benlockwood @Sproid you could put it as the header, pfp or in metadata...

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                                    #90

                                    @MamaLake @benlockwood @Sproid sorry, miss read. Download, upload, then pin. But I think its not pinned the way you want. You want like a fb or insta pin style. Correct?

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                                    • qccechris@mastodon.socialQ qccechris@mastodon.social

                                      @MamaLake @benlockwood @Sproid sorry, miss read. Download, upload, then pin. But I think its not pinned the way you want. You want like a fb or insta pin style. Correct?

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                                      #91

                                      @QCCEChris @benlockwood @Sproid ha! I was mostly joking 🙃 I’m #noAi but it’s not my whole schtick you know?

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                                      • mamalake@beige.partyM mamalake@beige.party

                                        @benlockwood this comment section has given me so many valuable lessons in blocking before arguing with unaware people. Thank you.

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                                        #92

                                        @MamaLake Block liberally. Your sanity & peace of mind are more important than anyone else’s stance on some dubious technology. 🩷@benlockwood

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                                        • mamalake@beige.partyM mamalake@beige.party

                                          @QCCEChris @benlockwood @Sproid ha! I was mostly joking 🙃 I’m #noAi but it’s not my whole schtick you know?

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                                          #93

                                          @QCCEChris @benlockwood @Sproid thank you for coming up with solutions though, I appreciate that muster 🙂

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