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  3. To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever.

To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever.

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  • navi@catcatnya.comN navi@catcatnya.com

    @lil5 @gwynnion The usage of Tor or hell, anything non-central will just be criminalized instead. There are already jurisdictions where it is, formally or not.

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    #23

    @navi @gwynnion

    China, Iran still has problems blocking access to tor via snowflake.

    ln the UK: ID verification is only a legal problem for those attempting to host websites, not those attempting to access them.

    https://tporu.gitlab.io/support/censorship/

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    • dlc@mstdn.socialD dlc@mstdn.social

      @lil5 And try to find a way to get back on to usenet…

      And consider #reticulum, bc we likely need to build our own network ourselves, local hackers everywhere, nodes connected by any means available, millions of local networks, at least occasionally inter-connected, using store & forward, delay & disruption tolerant protocols

      @gwynnion

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      #24

      @DLC @gwynnion

      IRC is the more well documented and in use communication tool to my knowledge,

      Cool project but very Alpha, nor have I heard of any high profile journalist or espionage using/trusting the network for covert communication.

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      • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

        And no, Democrats cannot be trusted on this either because they're pushing for the same thing.

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        #25

        @gwynnion@mastodon.social please CW your political posts

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        • lil5@social.linux.pizzaL lil5@social.linux.pizza

          @navi @gwynnion

          China, Iran still has problems blocking access to tor via snowflake.

          ln the UK: ID verification is only a legal problem for those attempting to host websites, not those attempting to access them.

          https://tporu.gitlab.io/support/censorship/

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          #26

          @lil5 @navi @gwynnion that they can't effectively block it doesn't stop them calling you an enemy of the state for using it.

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          • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

            To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever. None of your data or communications will be private. The government and corporations will go through all of it.

            If you don't want that to happen, you should raise a stink about "age verification" right now because that's what they're actually building.

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            #27

            @gwynnion I am not sure there will be “on-line” in 10 years. Maybe cave painting? If we are lucky, someone will be raising geese for the quills.

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            • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

              To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever. None of your data or communications will be private. The government and corporations will go through all of it.

              If you don't want that to happen, you should raise a stink about "age verification" right now because that's what they're actually building.

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              #28

              @gwynnion It's one of those things where if it's done correctly it could be a good thing but it will more than likely be another tool of chaos guised as order, or some yin/yang bs.

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              • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever. None of your data or communications will be private. The government and corporations will go through all of it.

                If you don't want that to happen, you should raise a stink about "age verification" right now because that's what they're actually building.

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                #29

                @gwynnion Wasn't this the main criticism of China?

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                • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                  To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever. None of your data or communications will be private. The government and corporations will go through all of it.

                  If you don't want that to happen, you should raise a stink about "age verification" right now because that's what they're actually building.

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                  #30

                  @gwynnion #TechBros may already own enough of the food sector to infuse proteins, with nanites that map your DNA to their databases.

                  May your lettuce be CRISPR.

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                    #31

                    @gwynnion

                    When Democrats said two weeks ago that they want to “reform” ICE, that’s when I knew for sure they ARE NOT for the people and cannot be given one iota of trust. In fact, they should be trusted even less because they’ll smile in your face and give lip service to act like your ally, and then do everything opposite of that behind your back. Especially with Schumer in there shilling for Israel, he will do everything to put Israel first, even if that includes throwing Americans under the bus by giving away all our data to them.

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                    • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                      Companies know the ad market is dying and never worked well in the first place. Maybe they hope having all your data will make it better. But they know there's always a buyer of last resort willing to pay a premium for your personal information: the government.

                      Who needs a warrant?

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                      #32

                      @gwynnion Imo watching the way private industry is headed with increasingly two-tiered service in every industry I think they're expecting the value of the proletariat to be reduced solely to data, because the lower 60-80% won't have anything at all to spend.

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                      • dlc@mstdn.socialD dlc@mstdn.social

                        @gwynnion And your local device won't have ram or storage, it will all exist in the cloud, constantly monitored by machines, analysed by flawed algorithms, and used to judge you… and you will pay for it with your mandatory subscription fee which only gives you access to pre-approved & "appropriate" good apps and good data and a new advert every 20 seconds

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                        #33

                        @DLC @gwynnion, there has to be some RAM and some local storage. Without RAM, how would data be buffered for sending or for processing after receipt? Without (presumed) non-volatile storage, how would certain often-used items be cached, or how would it be able to have a certain minimum level of functionality (where appropriate) if its network connection should go down for minutes or hours or longer?

                        I find that the local device, be it in the form of a games console or a workstation or even a pocket-sized distraction device, having no storage of either kind would be wholly impractical, even if it is basically the modern equivalent of a VT102 or whatever.

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                        • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                          @gwynnion I am trying to push them to stool samples.

                          I figure I might be dead by then, and it will be a gift to the world. 🤣

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                          #34

                          @knowprose @gwynnion, that's fine; piece of wood, freshly cut from one of the legs, coming right up.

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                          • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                            Companies know the ad market is dying and never worked well in the first place. Maybe they hope having all your data will make it better. But they know there's always a buyer of last resort willing to pay a premium for your personal information: the government.

                            Who needs a warrant?

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                            #35

                            @gwynnion yes and who's gonna pay for ads when 99% of internet activity is bots?

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                            • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                              To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever. None of your data or communications will be private. The government and corporations will go through all of it.

                              If you don't want that to happen, you should raise a stink about "age verification" right now because that's what they're actually building.

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                              #36

                              @gwynnion We either need to raise a stink about the technology as you propose, or we need to embrace a positive "no shame" counter to the shamelessness of the powerful. We need to recognize that the puritanical "traditional American values" are, and have always been, tools used to control the masses. The powerful always carve out exceptions for themselves, as the Epstein files reveal. So, fuck them. As long as we aren't hurting others, let's be who we want to be, do what we want to do, and recognize that issues like drugs and sexuality are regularly used to impugn and isolate citizens who are more worthy of acceptance and inclusion than these pigs.

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                              • lil5@social.linux.pizzaL lil5@social.linux.pizza

                                @DLC @gwynnion

                                IRC is the more well documented and in use communication tool to my knowledge,

                                Cool project but very Alpha, nor have I heard of any high profile journalist or espionage using/trusting the network for covert communication.

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                                #37

                                @lil5 Yeah agree about IRC, I would also add XMPP over tor/i2p

                                I added Reticulum from a different perspective… more long term, Long
                                Now?

                                Given how commercially mediated the internet is there is very little trust it will be available when needed most

                                Hence, pointing to reticulum as a network stack which could be useful to build an alternative network of networks owned by individuals and communities which is a lot harder to break, stop, censure… it's just a thought

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                                • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                                  To exist online in 10 years, you're going to have to give a random company a face scan and photo ID and they're going to give that and everything you post to the government to spy on you for being queer, left-wing, "a criminal," or whatever. None of your data or communications will be private. The government and corporations will go through all of it.

                                  If you don't want that to happen, you should raise a stink about "age verification" right now because that's what they're actually building.

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                                  #38

                                  @gwynnion

                                  AND get off the major platforms for all forms of messaging, AND operating systems AND etc

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                                  • dlc@mstdn.socialD dlc@mstdn.social

                                    And it's likely a good idea to learn some electronics knowledge and how to solder (incl SMD) and weld … and get a 3d printer while you still can…

                                    Learn how to make a general purpose computer from literal scratch…

                                    Make a computer out of ESP32, Raspberry Pico, etc…

                                    Or find a hacker who can and make them part of your mutual aid network

                                    Join or start a local hacker/maker space

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                                    #39

                                    @DLC

                                    If you want a 3D printer make sure you get it before mandatory file uploading and remote-controlled restriction systems are introduced like they are doing now in Washington and New York

                                    https://reclaimthenet.org/new-york-3d-printer-law-mandates-firearm-file-blocking

                                    https://reclaimthenet.org/new-washington-legislation-makes-3d-printers-surveillance-tools

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                                    • zed@mstdn.partyZ zed@mstdn.party

                                      @12thRITS @gwynnion as many people as possible that I can get on signal I do, but if I were to not text anyone on WhatsApp then I’d barely be able to have friends

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                                      #40

                                      @zed @gwynnion I know, that's how they keep people. I use the Android message app which probably isn't any better.

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                                      • numodular@c.imN numodular@c.im

                                        @gwynnion #TechBros may already own enough of the food sector to infuse proteins, with nanites that map your DNA to their databases.

                                        May your lettuce be CRISPR.

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                                        @numodular @gwynnion hello fellow mutants

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                                        • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                                          And no, Democrats cannot be trusted on this either because they're pushing for the same thing.

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                                          @gwynnion hello Colorado dems

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