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  • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

    Meanwhile, 55 years ago

    terryhancock@realsocial.lifeT This user is from outside of this forum
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    #9

    @thomasfuchs

    AI prompts are the latest generation in "do what I mean" programming languages.

    Usually such languages sacrifice precision of expression for "common sense" understanding, and then expect the compiler (chatbot) to inject the common sense.

    Sadly, I have learned there is no such thing as "common sense". The common sense of the lawyer is quite different from that of the machinist. There is only "domain knowledge". Which requires that the programmer shares this at least somewhat with the client -- or in a pinch, willing to learn it.

    History has not been kind to the ambition of automating this part.

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    • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

      I highly recommend reading this book, it’s extremely relevant today—notably it doesn’t matter what your stance is on “AI”.

      Programming is an inherently human and social activity; it doesn’t matter if you’re a solo programmer, working with a team or using chatbots, or a combination of all of this.

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      #10

      @thomasfuchs if only more organizations made Programming a Social Activity instead of an Antisocial one. 😭

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      • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

        Meanwhile, 55 years ago

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        #11

        @thomasfuchs and here we are, again. With the help of our friend, AI

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        • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

          I highly recommend reading this book, it’s extremely relevant today—notably it doesn’t matter what your stance is on “AI”.

          Programming is an inherently human and social activity; it doesn’t matter if you’re a solo programmer, working with a team or using chatbots, or a combination of all of this.

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          #12

          @thomasfuchs

          TY for the recc. 😄

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          • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

            Meanwhile, 55 years ago

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            #13

            @thomasfuchs

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            • gizmo@butts.teamG gizmo@butts.team

              @thomasfuchs indeed; @grimalkina has a book coming out soon about psychology of programming teams that has some recent research as well

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              #14

              @Gizmo @thomasfuchs I read Weinberg as part of my pre-book research. Some nice team stuff, a great counter to the pretty individualistic models of other books of the era. Pretty outdated psych theories though! As evidenced by the somewhat shocking mention of "latent homosexuality" that I can't believe they didn't edit out in later editions. Anyway, I hope mine is a good update. A big reference list to browse comes with it!

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              • grimalkina@mastodon.socialG grimalkina@mastodon.social

                @Gizmo @thomasfuchs I read Weinberg as part of my pre-book research. Some nice team stuff, a great counter to the pretty individualistic models of other books of the era. Pretty outdated psych theories though! As evidenced by the somewhat shocking mention of "latent homosexuality" that I can't believe they didn't edit out in later editions. Anyway, I hope mine is a good update. A big reference list to browse comes with it!

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                @grimalkina @Gizmo obviously has to be seen as an artifact of its time! looking forward to your book

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                • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                  Meanwhile, 55 years ago

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                  #16

                  @thomasfuchs @blogdiva

                  The fact that I can read and decipher cobol, plus the fact that menopause has provided neck hair, ie proto neckbeard, y’all…I may have become a Tech Final Boss. 🤣🥳😂🤷🏻‍♀️💃🏻

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                  • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                    Meanwhile, 55 years ago

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                    #17

                    @thomasfuchs One of the advantages I have in not falling for the current "AI" scam is that I have *twice* been employed by companies that promised people they could write programs without programmers.
                    Mostly I was employed to clean up the ensuing mess, but it remains an attractive idea to people who don't know the history of it.

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                    • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                      I highly recommend reading this book, it’s extremely relevant today—notably it doesn’t matter what your stance is on “AI”.

                      Programming is an inherently human and social activity; it doesn’t matter if you’re a solo programmer, working with a team or using chatbots, or a combination of all of this.

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                      #18

                      @thomasfuchs

                      It's on archive.org

                      https://archive.org/details/psychologyofcomp0000wein

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                      • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                        I highly recommend reading this book, it’s extremely relevant today—notably it doesn’t matter what your stance is on “AI”.

                        Programming is an inherently human and social activity; it doesn’t matter if you’re a solo programmer, working with a team or using chatbots, or a combination of all of this.

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                        #19

                        @thomasfuchs

                        (Direct link to a PDF download.)

                        https://z-library.sk/dl/zwXmdmV2Z1

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                        • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                          Meanwhile, 55 years ago

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                          @thomasfuchs

                          hell, most executives don't even read reports or emails, much less lots of code.

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