I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
they probably wanted to get it out the door before Trump guts NASA
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
@SamanthaJaneSmith People in the USA should be aware that this flight would have been impossible without European tech! The rogue US regime might collect all honor for themselves but Artemis would never have started with US tech only.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
@SamanthaJaneSmith There can be only one reason Trump is firing them up to a moon landing - he wants to find OIL up there.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
I am no friend of Trump.
I understand that Trump is temporary, Jan 2029 he will be removed from power, maybe sooner through a newly elected congress, or the stress or diabetes will take 80 year old man. Trump's days are numbered.As a NASA employee you would understand that the science to travel to Mars or anywhere out the moon require technology we currently do not have for a human to land, survive, and live and perform their duties on Mars comfortably.
Outside the Earth's magnetosphere is Gama Cosmic radiation will cut through any craft and will damage the DNA of any Mars astronaut, and realistically we are century away from creating a safe and reasonable plan for a traveler to land on Mars and come back to Earth.
The current Moon landing is not about a creating a event, nor should we measure success based on that. It is about surveying possibilities of creating a space-port for space craft in the future. That future of that space-port may not be a few years, it may be decades or a century. The ground work have to be laid for the future, and requires a scope see further than the present.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
@SamanthaJaneSmith boosting this because it needs saying , thank you sjs
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
@GlasWolf @SamanthaJaneSmith This sums up perfectly why I just don't care that people are off to the moon. I hope they come back safe though.
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@synth Politicians in all parties since spaceflight began have used NASA as a means to push their own political ambitions and to get support for their vision of America. Often to the detriment of both astronauts and the country as a whole. An example was the political decision surrounding the SRBs on the shuttle program. Lives were lost due to politics.
At no point did I say that only Trump does this or has done this. I didn't get into much of the political rational behind funding spaceflight, particularly manned, but it's really only about control and domination of space. The politicians and funders don't give a damn about engineering and science. Those are by products of the drive to control space.
Manned spaceflight is a product of this desire and is therefore a show that is very useful to politicians and at this time specifically Trump. If another person was in the white house and this was happening I would say the same. But what makes it worse now is that Trump is gutting the rest of NASA, at least in the past science has survived. So more than ever it is now a show for the public while NASA is prepared for it's demise.
@SamanthaJaneSmith For sure, politics is deeply intertwined with space exploration and especially so with manned missions. It was really just this bit I was iffy about: ‘Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.’ The clarification that you’d say the same regardless of who’s in office is good context. I wholeheartedly agree with your point about utility and the current admin gutting science.
You definitely know more about this world than I, so thanks for the insight.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
Not to mention the massive burning of fossile fuels.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
@SamanthaJaneSmith I don't know a lot about this rocket machine ~ but question: is it really much of an engineering feat?
Cursory wikipedia jaunt implies this rocket is kit-bashed from spare parts from the 1950s-1980s/shuttle program.
Obviously getting to space etc. is a grand feat, but (and perhaps to your point), none of the big things here seem new or inventive or ... if you will ... 'engineer-y'
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
hard agree
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
"...not using the same technology to do what we did before..."
Thank goodness! I thought that I was the only person to have this thought.
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@paranoiapen Well the two things have always been decoupled to some level, although the rationale for manned spaceflight has always been defence. The US is in space not because it's good for humanity but because of military interests and the glory of the US of A.
It is always part of military or cultural domination at the political, funding level. Politicians know of nothing else.
It must also be said that the US is not the only country that acts this way.
@SamanthaJaneSmith @paranoiapen
Personally, it gives me optimistic feels that we are still able to do stuff like this despite all the BS we are also doing.
Watching an ISS spacewalk during the previous Tr#mp misadministration was one of its few bright spots (for me) -- a brief view of extreme competence amid all the self-serving twittery.
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@SamanthaJaneSmith @paranoiapen
Personally, it gives me optimistic feels that we are still able to do stuff like this despite all the BS we are also doing.
Watching an ISS spacewalk during the previous Tr#mp misadministration was one of its few bright spots (for me) -- a brief view of extreme competence amid all the self-serving twittery.
@SamanthaJaneSmith @paranoiapen P.S. for a little more on how this sort of thing provides scientific benefit, I suggest a little Hank Green.
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I feel I need to say something about Artemis as a former NASA employee, Space scientist and engineer.
I hope more than anything that the astronauts get back safely. But let us not be fooled by what this is.
Is it spectacular, yes. Is it a feat of engineering, yes. Does it make any advance in science, no. Does it help mankind explore the universe, dubious at best.
Why exactly are we sending humans to the moon? With our technology we will never send humans much further than Mars. The only way humans can possibly go further is through a scientific breakthrough. Good luck with that when Trump is gutting science.
Human exploration needs money spent on long-term advances - not using the same technology to do what we did before, however, glamorous it is.
So why do this and why do it now? Political theatre, a win for a Trump led NASA if it succeeds.
So I hope all works well and all return safely. But let us be clear what this is and why it is being done.
This is my opinion, I do not represent anyone.
@SamanthaJaneSmith I don't see it that gloomy. We are finally let humans travel beyond low Earth Orbit. Right now further than they could ever get from their destination by any means of transportation in the past 50 years. Been there, done that? Sure not.
Also, we won't develop any better spacecraft by sitting around on Earth. Or by just doing in space what we have always done. Even known technologies on the surface will likely not behave the same in space. For getting further, we must go.
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@SamanthaJaneSmith surely in the midst of a war over the last few drops of oil in the world this is nothing but disgusting?
@paranoiapen @SamanthaJaneSmith I think it's important to note that the mission was planned way before Iran, Venezuela, Greenland, etc. were a twinkle in Trump's eyes.
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@paranoiapen @SamanthaJaneSmith I think it's important to note that the mission was planned way before Iran, Venezuela, Greenland, etc. were a twinkle in Trump's eyes.
@phl @paranoiapen and I mentioned this in a reply.
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@SamanthaJaneSmith I don't see it that gloomy. We are finally let humans travel beyond low Earth Orbit. Right now further than they could ever get from their destination by any means of transportation in the past 50 years. Been there, done that? Sure not.
Also, we won't develop any better spacecraft by sitting around on Earth. Or by just doing in space what we have always done. Even known technologies on the surface will likely not behave the same in space. For getting further, we must go.
@urwumpe I hear this a lot. The issue is that to actually get anywhere you need to invest in science. This is the opposite of what is happening. Politicians want the glory but won't spend the cash on science to actually change anything.
This is particularly true of Trump cutting science. Even gutting NASA.
So I am afraid it is very gloomy IMHO. If you want to get anywhere beyond the moon and perhaps Mars you need new technology beyond chemical rockets.
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@urwumpe I hear this a lot. The issue is that to actually get anywhere you need to invest in science. This is the opposite of what is happening. Politicians want the glory but won't spend the cash on science to actually change anything.
This is particularly true of Trump cutting science. Even gutting NASA.
So I am afraid it is very gloomy IMHO. If you want to get anywhere beyond the moon and perhaps Mars you need new technology beyond chemical rockets.
@SamanthaJaneSmith There is much more on this planet than a demented old pedophile. Sadly also many people who rather trust demented old pedophiles than science.
But should we stop doing science and have science be more successful than they are, just because they don't like what science says?
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@SamanthaJaneSmith There is much more on this planet than a demented old pedophile. Sadly also many people who rather trust demented old pedophiles than science.
But should we stop doing science and have science be more successful than they are, just because they don't like what science says?
@urwumpe That is my point. But science is being gutted by the US government, going to the moon is not science. At best it's rediscovery of the technology we used to have.
