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YouTube is now using AI to alter people's videos without permission.

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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

    @Wuzzy

    Exactly.

    That's why having a copy of your videos on PeerTube is so important, it means any alterations on YouTube instantly become obvious by comparing the two versions.

    It also means your viewers who want to avoid YouTube/Google completely are being given the option of watching on PeerTube.

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    #5

    @FediTips Oh wait, you meant to tell YouTubers they should post on PeerTube as a means of collecting EVIDENCE for when YouTube has defaced your work? Interesting.

    IMHO YouTube just needs to DIE. A platform that so blatantly HATES the own creators does not deserve anyone's time. PeerTube FTW!

    (I'm not a YouTuber btw, the few videos I did post are all on a PeerTube instance anyway lol.)

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    • wuzzy@cyberplace.socialW wuzzy@cyberplace.social

      @FediTips Oh wait, you meant to tell YouTubers they should post on PeerTube as a means of collecting EVIDENCE for when YouTube has defaced your work? Interesting.

      IMHO YouTube just needs to DIE. A platform that so blatantly HATES the own creators does not deserve anyone's time. PeerTube FTW!

      (I'm not a YouTuber btw, the few videos I did post are all on a PeerTube instance anyway lol.)

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      #6

      @Wuzzy

      If a video creator wants to make sure people can always see the original versions of their video, it's important to have versions uploaded somewhere that Google/YouTube cannot touch them. PeerTube seems to be the best option, especially if it's your own server, as it's outside corporate control.

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      • jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.ptJ jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt

        @FediTips and having content created for YouTube on PeerTube is a nice positive externality. One thing Youtubers need to understand is that the copying/import facility that PeerTube provides isn't a solution, there should be a specific upload to PeerTube and not a simple backup from YouTube (the later risks having the Big Tech altered video on PeerTube).
        @Wuzzy

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        #7

        @jt_rebelo @FediTips Wait. I don't think I understand your post. When you import a video from YouTube in PeerTube, that's NOT a full copy but basically just a mirror? Meaning that changes to the video will change the video in PeerTube?

        If so, that should be made SUPER clear in the UI because that sounds like a trap. It should be clearly visible to the creator when a video was added not as a full independent copy but is pulled from another site. This distinction is important IMO.

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        • wuzzy@cyberplace.socialW wuzzy@cyberplace.social

          @jt_rebelo @FediTips Wait. I don't think I understand your post. When you import a video from YouTube in PeerTube, that's NOT a full copy but basically just a mirror? Meaning that changes to the video will change the video in PeerTube?

          If so, that should be made SUPER clear in the UI because that sounds like a trap. It should be clearly visible to the creator when a video was added not as a full independent copy but is pulled from another site. This distinction is important IMO.

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          #8

          @Wuzzy @jt_rebelo

          As far as I know it's not a mirror, it's just YT-DLP downloading a copy. If the original changes, it isn't reflected on PeerTube.

          However, the advantage of a direct upload is it never even passes through Google's systems. Usually this just means higher image quality, but if Google is going to alter uploads with AI then it would avoid that too.

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          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

            YouTube is now using AI to alter people's videos without permission. (There are threads about this at https://mastodon.content.town/@operationpuppet/115640694705318541 & https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115598837629003478 etc)

            This is really disturbing and dangerous. It's more insidious than censorship because viewers cannot tell a video has been altered.

            If you post to YouTube, I'd strongly recommend you start ALSO posting to PeerTube, either on your own server or a public server. There's a complete guide here:

            ➡️ https://fedi.tips/how-to-publish-videos-and-audio-on-peertube

            #PeerTube #YouTube

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            #9

            @FediTips I tried to find a server on peertube that would allow me to upload my videos, but none of them allow an unlimited upload. The biggest server I found would let me upload a maximum of 25 videos in 4K quality and that's it. Can you please advice me on how to make your suggested back-up without having to manage my own server.

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            • whasdah@mastodon.socialW whasdah@mastodon.social

              @FediTips I tried to find a server on peertube that would allow me to upload my videos, but none of them allow an unlimited upload. The biggest server I found would let me upload a maximum of 25 videos in 4K quality and that's it. Can you please advice me on how to make your suggested back-up without having to manage my own server.

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              #10

              @whasdah

              Fediverse servers are run by volunteers who do not run ads and do not sell people's data. They have to pay for the data storage costs themselves, out of their own pocket.

              In those circumstances it's impossible for anyone to promise unlimited uploads.

              You can avoid limits by paying for the storage yourself, by setting up your own server. This is also covered in the same guide: https://fedi.tips/how-to-publish-videos-and-audio-on-peertube/

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              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                @Wuzzy @jt_rebelo

                As far as I know it's not a mirror, it's just YT-DLP downloading a copy. If the original changes, it isn't reflected on PeerTube.

                However, the advantage of a direct upload is it never even passes through Google's systems. Usually this just means higher image quality, but if Google is going to alter uploads with AI then it would avoid that too.

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                #11

                @FediTips I mean, if the video is already on Youtube there might be no way (unless it happens right after the original is uploaded) to know (without watching the video copied
                to PeerTube) that it was altered (I'm not talking about new uploads, or at least not videos that haven't been for a while on Youtube - doing what they want to do with the videos has to take some time, even if it is fast).
                And knowing Big Tech, we all know that sooner rather than later they'll do their alterations while the video is being processed (after the upload) and before being posted (might not fool everyone, but they only need a small part, like they did with ads on videos uploaded by accounts that had no way to receive ad revenue - they did it to my "channel" years ago).
                @Wuzzy

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                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                  YouTube is now using AI to alter people's videos without permission. (There are threads about this at https://mastodon.content.town/@operationpuppet/115640694705318541 & https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115598837629003478 etc)

                  This is really disturbing and dangerous. It's more insidious than censorship because viewers cannot tell a video has been altered.

                  If you post to YouTube, I'd strongly recommend you start ALSO posting to PeerTube, either on your own server or a public server. There's a complete guide here:

                  ➡️ https://fedi.tips/how-to-publish-videos-and-audio-on-peertube

                  #PeerTube #YouTube

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                  #12

                  @FediTips Can someone explain how to simply watch a video on PeerTube. I've been thrashing through reams of stuff telling me what PeerTube is but nowhere is there a simple link telling me how to watch a video there.

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                  • P pacman@swiss.social

                    @FediTips Can someone explain how to simply watch a video on PeerTube. I've been thrashing through reams of stuff telling me what PeerTube is but nowhere is there a simple link telling me how to watch a video there.

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                    #13

                    @pacman

                    There's a guide to watching PeerTube videos at https://fedi.tips/how-do-i-use-peertube-how-do-i-follow-peertube-accounts-from-mastodon

                    If you want to see an example of a PeerTube site have a look at https://fedi.video

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                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                      YouTube is now using AI to alter people's videos without permission. (There are threads about this at https://mastodon.content.town/@operationpuppet/115640694705318541 & https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115598837629003478 etc)

                      This is really disturbing and dangerous. It's more insidious than censorship because viewers cannot tell a video has been altered.

                      If you post to YouTube, I'd strongly recommend you start ALSO posting to PeerTube, either on your own server or a public server. There's a complete guide here:

                      ➡️ https://fedi.tips/how-to-publish-videos-and-audio-on-peertube

                      #PeerTube #YouTube

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                      #14

                      p.s. If you already have a PeerTube account and want to get more visibility for your videos, here's a guide all about that: https://fedi.tips/how-to-promote-your-peertube-videos-account-and-channels

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                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                        YouTube is now using AI to alter people's videos without permission. (There are threads about this at https://mastodon.content.town/@operationpuppet/115640694705318541 & https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115598837629003478 etc)

                        This is really disturbing and dangerous. It's more insidious than censorship because viewers cannot tell a video has been altered.

                        If you post to YouTube, I'd strongly recommend you start ALSO posting to PeerTube, either on your own server or a public server. There's a complete guide here:

                        ➡️ https://fedi.tips/how-to-publish-videos-and-audio-on-peertube

                        #PeerTube #YouTube

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                        #15

                        @FediTips ⏫also is there an easy way of downloading all the content you put on youtube?

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                        • voxofgod@beige.partyV voxofgod@beige.party

                          @FediTips ⏫also is there an easy way of downloading all the content you put on youtube?

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                          #16

                          @VoxOfGod

                          Yes, you can copy your YouTube videos over to PeerTube, there's a video about it at https://video.fedihost.co/w/tEkBeu2ST3XgTnjq4wXtx6

                          (By the way, I have no connection to FediHost, they just have a similar name 🙂 )

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                          • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                            YouTube is now using AI to alter people's videos without permission. (There are threads about this at https://mastodon.content.town/@operationpuppet/115640694705318541 & https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115598837629003478 etc)

                            This is really disturbing and dangerous. It's more insidious than censorship because viewers cannot tell a video has been altered.

                            If you post to YouTube, I'd strongly recommend you start ALSO posting to PeerTube, either on your own server or a public server. There's a complete guide here:

                            ➡️ https://fedi.tips/how-to-publish-videos-and-audio-on-peertube

                            #PeerTube #YouTube

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                            #17

                            @FediTips
                            This is crazy shit that must be stopped. But how?

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                            • lloydlemons@me.dmL lloydlemons@me.dm

                              @FediTips
                              This is crazy shit that must be stopped. But how?

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                              #18

                              @lloydlemons

                              It's a big task as YouTube has been around for 20 years now, but we can make a start by using other platforms that cannot be bought out by Google.

                              YouTube was originally independent, but because it was centralised it was very easy for Google to purchase it.

                              PeerTube is not centralised, it's spread out on many different servers and anyone can start their own pretty easily. It would be much more difficult for anyone to buy PeerTube out.

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                              • jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.ptJ jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt

                                @FediTips I mean, if the video is already on Youtube there might be no way (unless it happens right after the original is uploaded) to know (without watching the video copied
                                to PeerTube) that it was altered (I'm not talking about new uploads, or at least not videos that haven't been for a while on Youtube - doing what they want to do with the videos has to take some time, even if it is fast).
                                And knowing Big Tech, we all know that sooner rather than later they'll do their alterations while the video is being processed (after the upload) and before being posted (might not fool everyone, but they only need a small part, like they did with ads on videos uploaded by accounts that had no way to receive ad revenue - they did it to my "channel" years ago).
                                @Wuzzy

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                                #19

                                @jt_rebelo @FediTips @Wuzzy
                                Copying from YouTube to PeerTube seems risky to the point of dumb. Even if the video seems to be unaltered on YouTube, can one be sure there aren’t invisible changes?

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                                • kimsj@mastodon.socialK kimsj@mastodon.social

                                  @jt_rebelo @FediTips @Wuzzy
                                  Copying from YouTube to PeerTube seems risky to the point of dumb. Even if the video seems to be unaltered on YouTube, can one be sure there aren’t invisible changes?

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                                  #20

                                  @KimSJ @jt_rebelo @Wuzzy

                                  If you are willing to upload directly, that's the best option by far: you have total control over it and it's the highest possible technical quality.

                                  However, some people who are new to the Fediverse and/or on the fence about PeerTube may find it easier to try it if there is a way of just automatically copying stuff over without having to do each video manually. Some of them may have hundreds of videos in their archive.

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                                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                    YouTube is now using AI to alter people's videos without permission. (There are threads about this at https://mastodon.content.town/@operationpuppet/115640694705318541 & https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115598837629003478 etc)

                                    This is really disturbing and dangerous. It's more insidious than censorship because viewers cannot tell a video has been altered.

                                    If you post to YouTube, I'd strongly recommend you start ALSO posting to PeerTube, either on your own server or a public server. There's a complete guide here:

                                    ➡️ https://fedi.tips/how-to-publish-videos-and-audio-on-peertube

                                    #PeerTube #YouTube

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                                    #21

                                    @FediTips

                                    Eh, this has been known for quite some time now. It's just generative upscaling. Not that I support it but you are blowing this issue out of proportion. It is not ACTUAL alteration of the content.

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                                    • bluemermaid@beige.partyB bluemermaid@beige.party

                                      @FediTips

                                      Eh, this has been known for quite some time now. It's just generative upscaling. Not that I support it but you are blowing this issue out of proportion. It is not ACTUAL alteration of the content.

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                                      #22
                                      Dette indlæg er slettet!
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                                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                        @Wuzzy @jt_rebelo

                                        As far as I know it's not a mirror, it's just YT-DLP downloading a copy. If the original changes, it isn't reflected on PeerTube.

                                        However, the advantage of a direct upload is it never even passes through Google's systems. Usually this just means higher image quality, but if Google is going to alter uploads with AI then it would avoid that too.

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                                        #23

                                        @FediTips @Wuzzy @jt_rebelo *IF* you can even successfully mirror it. I've been trying on a test instance and I can't get anywhere.

                                        What does a channel do that's been around for years and has hundreds of videos? That will get expensive very quickly.

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                                        • killyourfm@layer8.spaceK killyourfm@layer8.space

                                          @FediTips @Wuzzy @jt_rebelo *IF* you can even successfully mirror it. I've been trying on a test instance and I can't get anywhere.

                                          What does a channel do that's been around for years and has hundreds of videos? That will get expensive very quickly.

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                                          #24

                                          @killyourfm @Wuzzy @jt_rebelo

                                          You can ask @paige as his instance hosts the PeerTube for many large channels such as @shifter and @ohtheurbanity and @reece

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