The Aesthetic Rebellion
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy I think human art can be imitated, reproduced but what makes it authentic and special is the momentum, the feeling we live when we make art, leading to an authentic creation. An AI will never do it in that way, even if one day it could have a conscience... always different from our way of being.
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@davidrevoy
I like how it breaks the fourth wall@erfanekm Thank you. It's probably the first time I'm using "the style" as a storytelling device.
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@davidrevoy jackson pollock truly was a visionary.
@tshirtman My favorite. I spent probably 30 minute in the MET in the Pollock room; a large (oversized) room with a massive pollock , in black and white over a cardboard colored background. That's epic abstraction; the movement, the dance, the happening. Yes, really ahead of our time. I wish I could visit this room weekly as a reminder of how powerful is art.
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@davidrevoy but why doesn't she just get rid of the bird and draw what she wants?
@andrewrk Haha, for storytelling reason, I'm keeping them interacting. She tried to get rid of it a couple of time in the past, but it's "here to stay", so I'm glad I can continue to have a device to do metaphors.
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@davidrevoy so uhhhh this isn't gonna be a permanent change is it?
@ophis Not sure, my own style is like the texture and color of my hair after decade of work on it; it will come back even if I put layer of dye on the top.
But maybe I'll try to not care to be as polished and clean for the rendering (I'll keep all effort on scenario); something like panel 2 type of degradation maybe. -
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy Oooh I love this style though!
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after photography was invented, so was abstract painting and a whole bunch of styles (fauvisme, cubisme, expressionisme) that strayed from the painstaking 'realism' of the time
@Sassinake Yes, I had the luck to visit at Orsay this year the Sargent grand exhibition, and the exhibition did a wonderful work to remind the context of that time; and how Sargent (one of my fav painter) found a way to keep doing portrait of the nobles of that time (something that was the number one source of income for painters) but with a style that was different from photo. It's interesting to then visit The Impressionism, and other you mentioned. Maybe AI will reboot something like this.
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@davidrevoy for what it worth, your panels with Cepper and the Avian Intelligence are the best representation of my feelings, although on a different field. The fact these systems, with their capabilities of generating enormous amounts of slop, basically rob us of what took years to refine.
And this is how I often feel.
Robbed.
@jak
Thank you for sharing this. Same. -
This reminds me so much of the transition that painting went through after the invention of photography. It went... wild. Mostly moving away from representation. Pre-Raphaelite notwithstanding.
I already see street art and creativity from teens becoming less refined in response to AI art.
Interesting times.
@doctormo Yes, interesting time and I hope many artists will face the challenge and see that as an opportunity to depart from the modern days AAA style of commercial "high quality graphics". There is something to do, learning from the Modern art punks, or the Punk movement directly
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@davidrevoy *That* is impressive work.
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@smoi Merci du retour! J'étais préoccupé avant de le poster que le concept se comprenne mal; je suis très content de voir que ça fonctionne!
Non, non, pour moi, ça a fonctionné très bien en 2e lecture quand le besoin d'arriver à la chute a cessé de me pousser trop vite et que j'ai pris le temps d'observer le dessin. Génial, je trouve
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@davidrevoy PFFFF the bird is so shocked. He's literally clutching his pearls.
I like how he doesn't love the painting because it's beautiful or well made, but because he can personally benefit from it.
Also, the hilarious irony of all the yellows in the last panel, but they're the wrong yellow for the training data.
@ToonLink
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@davidrevoy no data is ugly, all is useful for training styles.
@artsalgod I agree that crawling and training "takes it all", but I think some data are really labeled "ugly", and therefore, even if possibly generate-able back, they are often excluded because the AI company think the user wants only high quality graphics and label, something that looks pro, detailed, etc...
So, maybe there is a niche for human in the non-commercial ugly labels
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@davidrevoy Do you want to continue drawing your comics in this style? It won't be bad.
@mrdk I wish, but I would probably struggle. I'll see
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@davidrevoy You may be the frontrunner of a new art style... AntiAIism...
@Minski
AntiAIism , 'sounds funny I'll keep in mind. -
@davidrevoy This is great, I'm curious how art will change and develop coming years.
As many here, I always enjoyed your work and it was obvious from the go that they used it extensively for their models.
@spook Thank you! Yes, I share the same curiosity for the 2030's art, comic style and pop-art. I'm sure someone, somewhere, already found something that are the premise of what's to come. Something obvious, powerful that in 5 years everyone will wonder how they missed it right now. I'm jealous only thinking about it but I know this is how the world is working.
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy Awesome how the style gradually changes each panel!
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@realFedix @davidrevoy @catsalad these are unfortunately not reliable spylab.ai/blog/glaze/
@lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix Yes, big +1 with Luna.
I followed Glaze/Nightshade project and papers, and it's unfortunately proprietary and not effective. Last time, I visited a school of computer science, and there was a poster showing how Nightshade was ineffective and woraround-able. Also, it's AI itself, so it needs a lot of resources to overlay the art.
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@davidrevoy Is it ok if I prefer Panel 2 Cepper?
@kabel42 Totally ok! And in the long run, this is probably how I'll start to intentionally degrade my style a bit; so I can retain a bit of context for the shading, the designs I like and the shapes. I might use also something like that on the next episode of Pepper&Carrot (thicker line-art, more lines, scribbling)
