So there's this guy who made a tool where someone punches in their bluesky or mastodon credentials to his website, and it auto-crawls their feeds and produces an LLM summary of everyone it finds posting there.
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It is possible he interpreted the way I phrased my request as rude. I may have said something like "you are selling us as meat".
@mcc Yeah. There's a thing going on here where that hits people in a sore spot (LLMs) that is in many ways out of bounds (you can't actually control other people's tools); the place it gets dicy is when you're running a service so you're promoting the use of the tools.
But in general, I'd be real mad at anyone who tried to control what I used to read with.
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It is possible he interpreted the way I phrased my request as rude. I may have said something like "you are selling us as meat".
Anyway, the fact he's blocked me *partially* solves my problem, in that now he cannot LLM summarize me anymore, but the problem that possibly eventually a *second* person would use his tool remains unresolved.
Honestly, it's baffling that he added Mastodon support at all given that he's been here for years and thus saw some of the MANY YEARS of conflict and debate about the idea of people merely *archiving* or *indexing* Mastodon posts. And then he goes an uploads an auto-LLM-mulcher tool. IDK.
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So there's this guy who made a tool where someone punches in their bluesky or mastodon credentials to his website, and it auto-crawls their feeds and produces an LLM summary of everyone it finds posting there. He was asked what people should do if we don't want to be mulched as content for his summary feeds. He said we should block him. I replied, I can do that, but that only stops *you* from running the tool on me, how do I prevent *your other users* from running your tool on me? He blocked me.
Yeah, recommending a full server block for alpaca.gold for consent violation. ^ what a dingus.
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It is possible he interpreted the way I phrased my request as rude. I may have said something like "you are selling us as meat".
@mcc entirely justified.
I may initially have read this as "there's this tool who punches someone".
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@mcc Well he shouldn't have made an invasive, consent obliterating tool with the slop shitting machine
@brad Okay so I tried to raise that point with him, and his refutation was (if I understood him correctly) along the lines that he *should* have made an invasive, consent obliterating tool with the slop shitting machine, and at that point the conversation hit an impasse
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It is possible he interpreted the way I phrased my request as rude. I may have said something like "you are selling us as meat".
@mcc mmm mastoburger
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@brad Okay so I tried to raise that point with him, and his refutation was (if I understood him correctly) along the lines that he *should* have made an invasive, consent obliterating tool with the slop shitting machine, and at that point the conversation hit an impasse
@mcc lol drop a username please
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So there's this guy who made a tool where someone punches in their bluesky or mastodon credentials to his website, and it auto-crawls their feeds and produces an LLM summary of everyone it finds posting there. He was asked what people should do if we don't want to be mulched as content for his summary feeds. He said we should block him. I replied, I can do that, but that only stops *you* from running the tool on me, how do I prevent *your other users* from running your tool on me? He blocked me.
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Anyway, the fact he's blocked me *partially* solves my problem, in that now he cannot LLM summarize me anymore, but the problem that possibly eventually a *second* person would use his tool remains unresolved.
Honestly, it's baffling that he added Mastodon support at all given that he's been here for years and thus saw some of the MANY YEARS of conflict and debate about the idea of people merely *archiving* or *indexing* Mastodon posts. And then he goes an uploads an auto-LLM-mulcher tool. IDK.
@mcc ...okay, THIS finally convinced me to set my toots to auto-expire.
What a nightmare.
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It is possible he interpreted the way I phrased my request as rude. I may have said something like "you are selling us as meat".
@mcc nah, that sounds accurate.
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@mcc lol drop a username please
@mcc ah is it this zeitgeist.blue bullshit? lol
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Anyway, the fact he's blocked me *partially* solves my problem, in that now he cannot LLM summarize me anymore, but the problem that possibly eventually a *second* person would use his tool remains unresolved.
Honestly, it's baffling that he added Mastodon support at all given that he's been here for years and thus saw some of the MANY YEARS of conflict and debate about the idea of people merely *archiving* or *indexing* Mastodon posts. And then he goes an uploads an auto-LLM-mulcher tool. IDK.
I wonder what the tool does when it encounters a DM. From his description it seems to just grab the last N posts from your feed, and depending on how the feed is queried (like if his Mastodon client code were written indifferently, or perhaps slopcoded) the feed he queries might well contain DMs intermixed. I wonder if his tool is taking DMs and sending them over the wire to Anthropic and/or Microsoft
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It is possible he interpreted the way I phrased my request as rude. I may have said something like "you are selling us as meat".
Truth is rude, I guess?
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@cthos I mean, I don't actually mind being indexed and I'm not necessarily opposed to my posts being processed via bot, I just object to this one tool as designed and want to opt out. I guess at this point a "bot" is likely to be an LLM?
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I wonder what the tool does when it encounters a DM. From his description it seems to just grab the last N posts from your feed, and depending on how the feed is queried (like if his Mastodon client code were written indifferently, or perhaps slopcoded) the feed he queries might well contain DMs intermixed. I wonder if his tool is taking DMs and sending them over the wire to Anthropic and/or Microsoft
@mcc it would appear to do no filtering of DMs https://github.com/seldo/zeitgeist/blob/main/app/api/mastodon/timeline/route.ts#L49
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So there's this guy who made a tool where someone punches in their bluesky or mastodon credentials to his website, and it auto-crawls their feeds and produces an LLM summary of everyone it finds posting there. He was asked what people should do if we don't want to be mulched as content for his summary feeds. He said we should block him. I replied, I can do that, but that only stops *you* from running the tool on me, how do I prevent *your other users* from running your tool on me? He blocked me.
@mcc yeah we have run into seldo in the past actually, in other contexts... we would have been conflicted about a block, but when we're told to... well, we did
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So there's this guy who made a tool where someone punches in their bluesky or mastodon credentials to his website, and it auto-crawls their feeds and produces an LLM summary of everyone it finds posting there. He was asked what people should do if we don't want to be mulched as content for his summary feeds. He said we should block him. I replied, I can do that, but that only stops *you* from running the tool on me, how do I prevent *your other users* from running your tool on me? He blocked me.
Gross. You should tell @404mediaco , they might want to cover this. They posted an article about a company non-consensually scraping Zoom meetings for AI bullshit today:
https://www.404media.co/this-company-is-secretly-turning-your-zoom-calls-into-ai-podcasts/
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I wonder what the tool does when it encounters a DM. From his description it seems to just grab the last N posts from your feed, and depending on how the feed is queried (like if his Mastodon client code were written indifferently, or perhaps slopcoded) the feed he queries might well contain DMs intermixed. I wonder if his tool is taking DMs and sending them over the wire to Anthropic and/or Microsoft
@mcc oh of course it will do that. @davidrevoy hinted at that in https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/035__Avian-Intelligence.html already.
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@mcc oh of course it will do that. @davidrevoy hinted at that in https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/035__Avian-Intelligence.html already.
@mcc it’s so “great” that we now not just have hostile instances to worry about but also hostile clients…
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@cthos I mean, I don't actually mind being indexed and I'm not necessarily opposed to my posts being processed via bot, I just object to this one tool as designed and want to opt out. I guess at this point a "bot" is likely to be an LLM?
