I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
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@Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste If that's the strategy, they're awfully quiet about it. The prime minister and/or @stasdigi and/or @staatssecretarisbzk should be announcing the migration strategy. Now is also a great time for them to urge local government to write migration plans into the new municipal coalition plans.
@codo @Gina @bert_hubert @stasdigi @staatssecretarisbzk
I am not smart enough to get the strategy but for an "IT make it works pov", introducing one new stuff at a time is usually a good bet to have some "buy in".
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@bert_hubert @defuneste jup, this is essentially the core of gov IT strategy. Decreasing risk above all.
@Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste That all makes sense, but then why are there some seemingly obvious huge IT risks that governments seem not to notice? I’m thinking of the Dutch toeslagenaffaire, which is currently being repeated in France.
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@alloalli @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena Oops, added Murena. Thanks!
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@Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste That all makes sense, but then why are there some seemingly obvious huge IT risks that governments seem not to notice? I’m thinking of the Dutch toeslagenaffaire, which is currently being repeated in France.
@benjamingeer @bert_hubert @defuneste Because we don't have enough internal IT compentence in government. We need to hire more techies.
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
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@Gina Yes! Still looking forward to the day when I can install a Linux or BSD distro on *any* phone without any hassle
@simonjust @Gina You can't do that with *any* mobile OS, open or not, and you absolutely certainly still won't for a good while. It's not a good goal to target.
You can already use it on specific well-supported devices, or work on supporting other specific devices well. That's how you can make a tangible difference today.
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@simonjust @Gina You can't do that with *any* mobile OS, open or not, and you absolutely certainly still won't for a good while. It's not a good goal to target.
You can already use it on specific well-supported devices, or work on supporting other specific devices well. That's how you can make a tangible difference today.
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina there is only 1 EU desktop OS and it's on the verse to be selled SUSE.
so in desktop we don't have much either.
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There was a public consultation about open source recently - that means there may be an update in the EU open source strategy soon? Probably they are analysing results now…
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-opens-call-evidence-open-source-digital-ecosystemsPS also follow @HennaVirkkunen for this kind of thing
@hpod16 @Gina @EC_DIGIT @EUCommission @HennaVirkkunen any contact for the team that manage high fligh selling ?
the only EU based linux system company use is for sale, and if the EU don't intervene it might leave EU without any choice when it come to professional use of sovereign os.
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@simonjust @Gina Now make it drop the Halium layer and liberation will be complete:)
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@alloalli @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena Oops, added Murena. Thanks!
@Gina @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena I use that now for almost a year on a FairPhone 5, it's perfect.
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@simonjust @Gina Now make it drop the Halium layer and liberation will be complete:)
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@Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.
@bert_hubert @Gina yup als ambtenaar die graag met en in open source werkt, is m'n overheidswerkplek de plek waar ik het meest in gesloten software wordt gedwongen. Zou supergraag een planning zien voor uitfasering van bv Citrix en Outlook
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@bert_hubert @Gina yup als ambtenaar die graag met en in open source werkt, is m'n overheidswerkplek de plek waar ik het meest in gesloten software wordt gedwongen. Zou supergraag een planning zien voor uitfasering van bv Citrix en Outlook
@hdv @bert_hubert @Gina en Windows überhaupt!!
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroid@Gina Sure seems like we managed to reproduce a similar duopoly as we had on the desktop
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@simonjust @Gina Not really? It just tucks it under the carpet to be dealt with by Android.
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroid@Gina what do you mean by locked down platform please?
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@Gina what do you mean by locked down platform please?
@climatemigrant as in, ios and android. Proprietary platforms and app stores managed by Apple and Google.
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroidConsider, though, that @jolla still relies on a proprietary GUI, and @e_mydata bundles a non-free map application by default (apparently because the alternatives are not mature enough to work as a replacement yet, lacking such things as transit data). Other alternatives such as UBTouch do seem to be more open, but with less technical support. -
@Gina There are thankfully mobile options already. With GrapheneOS - you can even run a "closed off" google services api - to get chromecast working.
If you can do without chromecast - e/OS (with locked bootloader)- means netflix, banking apps etc. works fine.
Of all the apps I have tried only McDonalds app won't work on any of them
Jolla afaik runs the same - even though its not even Android.McDonalds app worked for me on grapheneos. I don't know if there have been any updates that change it. I last used it sometime in the first few months of last year.
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