I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
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@Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.
@bert_hubert @Gina yup als ambtenaar die graag met en in open source werkt, is m'n overheidswerkplek de plek waar ik het meest in gesloten software wordt gedwongen. Zou supergraag een planning zien voor uitfasering van bv Citrix en Outlook
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@bert_hubert @Gina yup als ambtenaar die graag met en in open source werkt, is m'n overheidswerkplek de plek waar ik het meest in gesloten software wordt gedwongen. Zou supergraag een planning zien voor uitfasering van bv Citrix en Outlook
@hdv @bert_hubert @Gina en Windows überhaupt!!
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroid@Gina Sure seems like we managed to reproduce a similar duopoly as we had on the desktop
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@simonjust @Gina Not really? It just tucks it under the carpet to be dealt with by Android.
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroid@Gina what do you mean by locked down platform please?
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@Gina what do you mean by locked down platform please?
@climatemigrant as in, ios and android. Proprietary platforms and app stores managed by Apple and Google.
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroidConsider, though, that @jolla still relies on a proprietary GUI, and @e_mydata bundles a non-free map application by default (apparently because the alternatives are not mature enough to work as a replacement yet, lacking such things as transit data). Other alternatives such as UBTouch do seem to be more open, but with less technical support. -
@Gina There are thankfully mobile options already. With GrapheneOS - you can even run a "closed off" google services api - to get chromecast working.
If you can do without chromecast - e/OS (with locked bootloader)- means netflix, banking apps etc. works fine.
Of all the apps I have tried only McDonalds app won't work on any of them
Jolla afaik runs the same - even though its not even Android.McDonalds app worked for me on grapheneos. I don't know if there have been any updates that change it. I last used it sometime in the first few months of last year.
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@climatemigrant as in, ios and android. Proprietary platforms and app stores managed by Apple and Google.
@Gina I pressed on the link and saw what you meant. Thank you. I am new on Mastodon so not familiar with it yet. I am using a Fairphone, I have stopped using Meta's platforms but I don't know how to get rid of my gmail account which is linked to so many things and first and foremost to the smartphone and google maps. I initially use hotmail though, but still, a gmail account is needed sadly. Are you not using Google and gmail?
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@Gina I pressed on the link and saw what you meant. Thank you. I am new on Mastodon so not familiar with it yet. I am using a Fairphone, I have stopped using Meta's platforms but I don't know how to get rid of my gmail account which is linked to so many things and first and foremost to the smartphone and google maps. I initially use hotmail though, but still, a gmail account is needed sadly. Are you not using Google and gmail?
@climatemigrant I've been slowly migrating to ProtonMail for years now. Would recommend, it's very user friendly.
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@climatemigrant I've been slowly migrating to ProtonMail for years now. Would recommend, it's very user friendly.
@Gina Thank you. Ι have a proton email account but someone recently sent me some articles against Protonmail too. It becomes exhausting. They use riseup but I don't find it user friendly.
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@climatemigrant I've been slowly migrating to ProtonMail for years now. Would recommend, it's very user friendly.
@Gina you may appreciate this post of mine
https://ethosandempathy.org/en/2025/11/29/goodbye-meta-big-tech-hello-fediverse/ -
@Gina I pressed on the link and saw what you meant. Thank you. I am new on Mastodon so not familiar with it yet. I am using a Fairphone, I have stopped using Meta's platforms but I don't know how to get rid of my gmail account which is linked to so many things and first and foremost to the smartphone and google maps. I initially use hotmail though, but still, a gmail account is needed sadly. Are you not using Google and gmail?
@climatemigrant @Gina It's a bit of a PITA to move all the accounts away from gmail(or any other email account) to a new one, but not impossible. I did the most important accounts first and then whenever I had to use some account I moved it at the same time. Kept the gmail account so nobody can take it over, but haven't used it for anything since switching.
Phone is also a Fairphone (5), but operating system is PostmarketOS (pure Linux, not for the faint of heart) so no big g account required for anything. You could flash e/OS and have android without the google ties.
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@climatemigrant @Gina It's a bit of a PITA to move all the accounts away from gmail(or any other email account) to a new one, but not impossible. I did the most important accounts first and then whenever I had to use some account I moved it at the same time. Kept the gmail account so nobody can take it over, but haven't used it for anything since switching.
Phone is also a Fairphone (5), but operating system is PostmarketOS (pure Linux, not for the faint of heart) so no big g account required for anything. You could flash e/OS and have android without the google ties.
@jago thank you
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@bert_hubert I never thought of it that way, thanks
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroidRE: https://mastodon.social/@YourDataNetwork/115978684637343134
@Gina @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena
Or perhaps OwnPhone from @YourDataNetwork ? I do now know them yet, but their products look interesting. https://fosstodon.org/@YourDataNetwork@mastodon.social/115978684794197434
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@simonjust @Gina Not really? It just tucks it under the carpet to be dealt with by Android.
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@simonjust @Gina There are devices out there that are functional without relying on Android. I've been using them as my main phones for the last ~18 years (first Neo Freerunner, then Nokia N900, now Librem 5). Other people are currently using PinePhones, OnePlus 6/6T, Pocophone F1, Pixel 3a and a few others.
Truth be told, for quite a while even with laptops you had to put some effort before going shopping to ensure you'll have a good experience with GNU/Linux.
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@simonjust @Gina There are devices out there that are functional without relying on Android. I've been using them as my main phones for the last ~18 years (first Neo Freerunner, then Nokia N900, now Librem 5). Other people are currently using PinePhones, OnePlus 6/6T, Pocophone F1, Pixel 3a and a few others.
Truth be told, for quite a while even with laptops you had to put some effort before going shopping to ensure you'll have a good experience with GNU/Linux.
@dos @simonjust true, but are they as easy to use as regular Android? Are all the apps available? Prob not.
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@simonjust @Gina There are devices out there that are functional without relying on Android. I've been using them as my main phones for the last ~18 years (first Neo Freerunner, then Nokia N900, now Librem 5). Other people are currently using PinePhones, OnePlus 6/6T, Pocophone F1, Pixel 3a and a few others.
Truth be told, for quite a while even with laptops you had to put some effort before going shopping to ensure you'll have a good experience with GNU/Linux.
Yeah, my general rule of thumb regarding laptops is to wait 3-6 months for proper kernel support or maybe even settle with last-gen. My current 2015 MBP is pretty well supported by now, no need to replace it
I was quite happy with my OnePlus, but seems to be a dead end, sadly. I've seen posts on XDA and on news sites mentioning that newer OnePlus phones have e-fuses* that will prevent up and downgrades and in worst cases brick your device.
If I buy a device I own it, phone vendors do seem to comprehend that - if they put limitations on what I can do with it, it feels like I'm just lending it.
I've been wanting a Pinephone for a while to do some app development, somehow they're always sold out
*) https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Oneplus_phone_update_introduces_hardware_anti-rollback
