When you "break" the anti-AI software I have on my website that does not illustrate that the software doesn't work well enough: It shows that you are someone who explicitly circumvents people's stated values, preferences and borders.
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@LukefromDC @hexaheximal @tante @davidgerard
they want access to the cam? dafuq, for what reason? and what desktop computer has a webcam?
@utf_7 @hexaheximal @tante @davidgerard Supposedly to use video to verify they are not talking to a bot.
You can bet that once they have it, they will repurpose it no matter what's in their privacy policy, I would no more trust Google with video of my face and surroundings than I would trust Flock or Palantir with the same.
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@tante Ultimately, this is why I opted for a different stance. Instead of trying to block anything, every page has license text that explicitly states that use with AI software implies they agree the my commercial license for my content, which is $30 million USD. Yes, I'm willing to cash-out. (It's a dual-license, which is normal enough.)
By feeding my content to AI software, they both agree that the pricing is fair and that they're willing to pay.
You have to click a link to hide the license as in a JavaScript-capable browser and you don't see the real text until you do. In a text-mode browser or without Javascript it simply always shows. It prints on every page, but in small print.
It's what the software industry calls a "shrinkwrap license" so it isn't anything particularly new or strange. They read the license and click a button to acknowledge they agree with the license. If they don't agree with the license, they don't click the link and go somewhere else. (It doesn't use cookies or server-side anything.)
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@tante I wonder if that is even legal in Germany… They are circumventing a protection mechanism!
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@tante Is your "anti-AI software" some half-asssed coinminer? Because if so you are an abuser and should think carefully before throwing stones.
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It all goes back to why a website operator gets to dictate what software (a user agent, plugins, etc) runs or doesn't on MY machine.
For me, I run defeat tools. Anti-DRM and DRM strippers. I have a cloudflare defeat container. I have a Anubis defeat container. Paywall defeat container. And I also run bypass-paywalls-complete over from gitflic.ru (Russian github). I run these tools because this is what makes the web usable. And its terrible I have to, but also a necessity.
I also use https://hister.org/ personally. Has all my history and webpages and everything. Saves and scrapes as I browse. Also has LLM features and API so I can also send my agents when Im watching stuff.
"Abuse" is a common one, of which I soundly reject. My computer. My user agent. My rules on my side. If you don't want to share, then by all means, sudo systemctl disable nginx && sudo systemctl stop nginx.
@crankylinuxuser @TripTilt @tante Fuck you, you are a bad person.
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When you "break" the anti-AI software I have on my website that does not illustrate that the software doesn't work well enough: It shows that you are someone who explicitly circumvents people's stated values, preferences and borders. You are an abuser.
It's a test about how you treat other people, whether you respect their dignity. And you failed.
@tante What kind of software are you running/what does it do?
(Genuinely interested, I am not a coder.)
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@tante What kind of software are you running/what does it do?
(Genuinely interested, I am not a coder.)
@monoxyd I run iocaine https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/ .
It's quite good at detecting bots and serves them efficiently generated texts based on Marx's "Das Kapital" and historic Luddite writings. It tries to trap those bots in tarpits made of "nonsense" text to
a) keep them away from actual content (therefore saving resources)
b) keeps them busy so at least that one bot is not harming some other website while I keep it busy
c) poison their data setIt's not always easy to determine, just how effective these processes are but it does keep those bots away from hammering very expensive endpoints (with database queries) on my server.
(if you search for "tante.cc" on bing.com for example you will see texts that do not correspond to the actual website text because the bing crawler was poisoned)
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@monoxyd I run iocaine https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/ .
It's quite good at detecting bots and serves them efficiently generated texts based on Marx's "Das Kapital" and historic Luddite writings. It tries to trap those bots in tarpits made of "nonsense" text to
a) keep them away from actual content (therefore saving resources)
b) keeps them busy so at least that one bot is not harming some other website while I keep it busy
c) poison their data setIt's not always easy to determine, just how effective these processes are but it does keep those bots away from hammering very expensive endpoints (with database queries) on my server.
(if you search for "tante.cc" on bing.com for example you will see texts that do not correspond to the actual website text because the bing crawler was poisoned)
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@monoxyd in the last 2 months I have generated about 257 GB of content through iocaine that crawlers sucked in instead of my website. That is massively more than actual readers produced as traffic.
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@monoxyd in the last 2 months I have generated about 257 GB of content through iocaine that crawlers sucked in instead of my website. That is massively more than actual readers produced as traffic.
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What do you do when the bot clicks the button and scrapes the site anyway?
