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  • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

    I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

    Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

    Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

    https://andrewmurphy.io/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

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    #18

    @elizayer Tragically, many of my colleagues are now concluding the solution is to have the same tool that produced the code review the code, as a way to manage the bottleneck.

    I think it's something in the water.

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    • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

      The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

      There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

      All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

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      #19

      @elizayer to be 100% completely super fair, we are seeing a massive increase in scams. So AI is good for something. Scams. It’s good for scams.

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      • niall@mastodon.nzN niall@mastodon.nz

        @elizayer @BmeBenji @beep also folks with impairments meaning they can't drive. This is a great piece of podcast journalism about the response to Waymo applying to operate in Chicago:
        https://pca.st/episode/ef4a328f-dbd4-45cb-8a0b-985250d62293

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        #20

        @Niall @elizayer While I haven’t listened to the episode — I didn’t realize Pinnamaneni and Vogt had a new project, after the Gimlet debacle — I can say the accessibility question here in Boston is much, much more complicated than that.

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        • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

          I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

          Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

          Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

          https://andrewmurphy.io/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

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          #21

          @elizayer We're gonna need a bigger Theory of Constraints.

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          • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

            I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

            Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

            Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

            https://andrewmurphy.io/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

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            #22

            @elizayer Very very true.

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            • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

              The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

              There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

              All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

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              #23

              @elizayer i think about this. according to the promises, all the little snags and bugs and oversights in all the software i use should be gone by now. "everyone's focusing on bigger things" doesn't excuse it, i was given the expectation these types of fixes should have been trivial and quick. computing should be better than ever, or at least as good as it was in the 2010s

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              • beep@follow.ethanmarcotte.comB beep@follow.ethanmarcotte.com

                @Niall @elizayer While I haven’t listened to the episode — I didn’t realize Pinnamaneni and Vogt had a new project, after the Gimlet debacle — I can say the accessibility question here in Boston is much, much more complicated than that.

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                #24

                @beep @elizayer well yes, it's clear you haven't listened to the episode 😉

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                • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                  I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

                  Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

                  Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

                  https://andrewmurphy.io/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

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                  #25

                  @elizayer

                  "The Mythical Man Month"

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

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                  • mtnrbq65@social.vivaldi.netM mtnrbq65@social.vivaldi.net

                    @elizayer

                    Absolutely:
                    "More code, less understanding. That's not a productivity gain. That's a time bomb with a nicer dashboard."

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                    #26

                    @mtnrbq65 @elizayer developers sometimes reference the 80/20 rule. And let's say in certain ways LLM code tools can get you through that 80% part faster, but they also have very real risk of making the last 20% even slower.

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                    • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                      The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

                      There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

                      All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

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                      #27

                      @elizayer yes, this. Code creation hasn’t been an issue for a long, long, long time. See “no silver bullet” (https://worrydream.com/refs/Brooks_1986_-_No_Silver_Bullet.pdf) written in *1986*.

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                      • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                        I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

                        Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

                        Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

                        https://andrewmurphy.io/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

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                        #28

                        @elizayer I've listened to a few podcasts now where software company executives (and even a CEO, who I would have expected to know better because he's a CEO) have talked about how much faster their teams are producing code, and since their QA teams can't keep up they've fired those people and are using Claude for QA now.

                        I get that devs don't study management subjects (I was one myself, many years ago) so they won't necessarily know how to find and fix bottlenecks, but I'm genuinely disappointed that software industry executives don't realise they're in a manufacturing business, nor do they understand how to optimise their value chains.

                        I know it's a cliche to say that people fail upwards, and I've worked with many executives who were clearly in their roles because they were intelligent, educated, and were delivering at a strategic level - but I'm beginning to wonder if software businesses are a special case.

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                        • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                          The fact that we are *not* seeing wildly improving software all around us tells us everything we need to know.

                          There is no flourishing of value delivery, new product categories, more needs being satisfied better. It’s the opposite.

                          All we are seeing is decreases in quality, because 👏 code 👏 creation 👏 is not 👏 the problem.

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                          #29

                          @elizayer
                          Almost all of the code written by the major software companies since the late 80’s has been bloatware. Especially operating systems. The days when programming was an art and minimizing resource usage was the primary consideration are long gone. If that code is what AI and these LLM’s are being “trained” on then expect software to continue its downward spiral.

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                          • elizayer@mastodon.socialE elizayer@mastodon.social

                            I'm a big fan of this explanation/rant from Andrew Murphy.

                            Taken as a whole, there are many bottlenecks in a corporate software development process. The "load-bearing" calendar is a great example!

                            Speeding up code creation just increases pressure on the bottleneck, which decreases throughput.

                            https://andrewmurphy.io/blog/if-you-thought-the-speed-of-writing-code-was-your-problem-you-have-bigger-problems

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                            #30

                            @elizayer This is a fabulously well-written article on flow, constraints, and fixing the biggest constraint first. Well worth nyour time if you do…well, anything.

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                            • niall@mastodon.nzN niall@mastodon.nz

                              @beep @elizayer well yes, it's clear you haven't listened to the episode 😉

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                              #31

                              @Niall @beep @elizayer Germans have a word for accessible cars. it translates as "low floor bus". Sorry, there's no English language version of that article https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederflurtechnik

                              Of course, there are people whose disability doesn't allow them to take a bus, those will need a driving service.

                              Also, driverless subways make a lot more sense than driverless cars, because you have a much more controlled environment.

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                              • aedius@lavraievie.socialA aedius@lavraievie.social

                                @elizayer

                                The good news is :

                                Open source maintainers see an increase in the quality of AI security tools, it will soon be in the hands of the bad actors.

                                Then it will be mandatory to do good software and ( i will make the leap of faith that ) you have to understand the business needs to create a simple software that handle the issues.

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                                #32

                                @Aedius @elizayer there's just going to be less open source

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                                • spazcosoft@peoplemaking.gamesS spazcosoft@peoplemaking.games

                                  @elizayer to be 100% completely super fair, we are seeing a massive increase in scams. So AI is good for something. Scams. It’s good for scams.

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                                  #33

                                  @spazcosoft @elizayer Wasn't this always? Newly hyped stuff is used for scam, or porn, or both.

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                                  • wila@mastodon.socialW wila@mastodon.social

                                    @Aedius @elizayer there's just going to be less open source

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                                    #34

                                    @wila @elizayer

                                    All code is open source when you push it with a map file.

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                                    • aedius@lavraievie.socialA aedius@lavraievie.social

                                      @wila @elizayer

                                      All code is open source when you push it with a map file.

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                                      #35

                                      @Aedius @elizayer when it is javascript yes.
                                      I wasn't talking about less slop.
                                      There will be more of that.

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                                      • mroach@ublog.mroach.comM mroach@ublog.mroach.com

                                        @elizayer Exactly! I’ve been trying to explain to people, especially those pushing AI at work, that writing code is not the hard part of my job. Identifying the real-world problems and designing solutions that are as minimalist and simple as possible are the hard parts. The code is an implementation detail.

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                                        #36

                                        @mroach @elizayer Agree! The hardest part of the job doesn't need to be done at a screen and keyboard. I've been known to pace up and down my garden while designing an algorithm in my head.

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                                        • macronencer@mastodon.scotM macronencer@mastodon.scot

                                          @mroach @elizayer Agree! The hardest part of the job doesn't need to be done at a screen and keyboard. I've been known to pace up and down my garden while designing an algorithm in my head.

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                                          #37

                                          @macronencer @mroach @elizayer
                                          When I was working, I would regularly solve a development issue while in the shower. I think it’s the brain being unstressed that does that.

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