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  • badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB badsamurai@infosec.exchange

    @da_667 I demoed that very thing recently. Prompted up a form page and visually I could see a handful of basic JavaScript issues.

    Ask Claude to review the code it generated for vulns using OWASP Top 10. And it finds them.

    That’s just bonkers. Sure, a lazy initial prompt so it’s all my fault, really.

    @GossiTheDog

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    #27

    @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog I've seen setups that run tests and such all in a closed loop, I suppose if one really wanted to "use" this shit, they could implement that sort of thing too.

    It'll cause a shedload more token use (and electrical waste) but might mitigate some of the idiocy.

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    • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

      @GossiTheDog If only a significant number of security practitioners could have seen it coming and warned people.

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      #28

      @cR0w @GossiTheDog Where "a sufficient number" is defined as 125% of all existing and future security practitioners, certified or not.

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      • nihkeys@mastodontti.fiN nihkeys@mastodontti.fi

        @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog The purpose of a system is what it does. IMO these are not accidents.

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        #29

        @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog I don't think that phrase allows for incompetency in design. The purpose is what was intended, not what actually results. There is a distinction.

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        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

          Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

          I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

          So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

          https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

          As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

          dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.orgD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #30

          @GossiTheDog
          The real question is why does a bot have commit privileges on a "major web framework"?

          i mean the answer is probably because google owns the repo probably... but why?

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          • s_bergmann@chaos.socialS s_bergmann@chaos.social

            @GossiTheDog It is interesting that these changes are attributed to a "user named Claude" and not to the "human using the agent named Claude". This is how diffusion of responsibility works, I guess.

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            #31

            @s_bergmann @GossiTheDog I like how AIDER uses co-authors, so you can't escape from blame. All these tools should be doing similar!

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            • nihkeys@mastodontti.fiN nihkeys@mastodontti.fi

              @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog The purpose of a system is what it does. IMO these are not accidents.

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              #32

              @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog

              The damage is the point.

              It's a weapon.

              Not sure I'd call it a "targeted" attack, when the goal is to flood absolutely EVERYTHING with shit everywhere.

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              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                ftp_alun@infosec.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
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                #33

                @GossiTheDog fault injection into production code at scale. Nice.

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                  I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                  So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                  https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                  As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                  spinnyspinlock@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #34

                  @GossiTheDog I became used to checking projects I am checking out for claude (etc) in the source files and commits really fast

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                  • etchedpixels@mastodon.socialE etchedpixels@mastodon.social

                    @GossiTheDog So you are saying there is a business opportunity following claude around projects with bug bounties 😎

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                    #35

                    @etchedpixels Bug bounties? You know nothing about business…
                    You set up a giant scam tool, let venture capital pay for its development, then use it to hack the world and sell all of it:

                    • license use of the tool,
                    • hacking applications,
                    • vulnerability scanning,
                    • protection racket from affected companies.

                    That' how real capitalists do business.
                    The tool is called Claude.
                    @GossiTheDog

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                    • etchedpixels@mastodon.socialE etchedpixels@mastodon.social

                      @GossiTheDog So you are saying there is a business opportunity following claude around projects with bug bounties 😎

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                      #36

                      @etchedpixels @GossiTheDog

                      Gahhh. Takes a little effort to imagine LESS rewarding work.

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                        I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                        So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                        https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                        As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                        keith_lawson@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #37

                        @GossiTheDog This was literally the first major security mistake I made in my early days as a Perl developer and I don't imagine it's that uncommon. Claude has probably been trained with a truckload of code with these vulnerabilities.

                        That's okay because we run everything in single-purpose Docker containers now though, right? /s

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                        • da_667@infosec.exchangeD da_667@infosec.exchange

                          @GossiTheDog

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                          #38

                          @da_667 @GossiTheDog

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                          • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                            Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                            I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                            So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                            https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                            As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                            spinnyspinlock@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #39

                            @GossiTheDog I see it, could probably start a threat intelligence business off the claude feed 🙂‍↕️

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                            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                              Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                              I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                              So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                              https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                              As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                              carpetbomberz@mastodon.onlineC This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #40

                              @GossiTheDog

                              That Claude is a "clod", and boy does Claude get around I tell ya'. 🏃

                              Claude is everywhere you want an exploit to be. 🚨

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                              • draeath@infosec.exchangeD draeath@infosec.exchange

                                @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog I've seen setups that run tests and such all in a closed loop, I suppose if one really wanted to "use" this shit, they could implement that sort of thing too.

                                It'll cause a shedload more token use (and electrical waste) but might mitigate some of the idiocy.

                                badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #41

                                @draeath

                                These MFers yeet DIRFT (Do it right the first time) and TQM principles to play hooky on the plinko and demand you call them a genius.

                                @da_667 @GossiTheDog

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                                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                  Today in InfoSec Job Security News:

                                  I was looking into an obvious ../.. vulnerability introduced into a major web framework today, and it was committed by username Claude on GitHub. Vibe coded, basically.

                                  So I started looking through Claude commits on GitHub, there’s over 2m of them and it’s about 5% of all open source code this month.

                                  https://github.com/search?q=author%3Aclaude&type=commits&s=author-date&o=desc

                                  As I looked through the code I saw the same class of vulns being introduced over, and over, again - several a minute.

                                  abucci@buc.ciA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #42
                                  @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social An instance of eating the seed corn, I'd say ( https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1705679109.757852 ).
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                                  • badsamurai@infosec.exchangeB badsamurai@infosec.exchange

                                    @da_667 I demoed that very thing recently. Prompted up a form page and visually I could see a handful of basic JavaScript issues.

                                    Ask Claude to review the code it generated for vulns using OWASP Top 10. And it finds them.

                                    That’s just bonkers. Sure, a lazy initial prompt so it’s all my fault, really.

                                    @GossiTheDog

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                                    #43

                                    @badsamurai @da_667 @GossiTheDog Hey, as somebody writing a CTF, it's handy to get randomly introduced vulnerabilities!

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                                    • hughsie@mastodon.socialH hughsie@mastodon.social

                                      @GossiTheDog I guess the AI security scanners will clean this up with their automated scan and CVE requests.</joke>

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                                      #44

                                      @hughsie @GossiTheDog It’s the circle of life. Extra points if the fix has new vulnerabilities in it!

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                                      • draeath@infosec.exchangeD draeath@infosec.exchange

                                        @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog I don't think that phrase allows for incompetency in design. The purpose is what was intended, not what actually results. There is a distinction.

                                        confuseacat@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #45

                                        @draeath @nihkeys @DJGummikuh @GossiTheDog not if you want to understand the system.
                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does

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                                        • spinnyspinlock@infosec.exchangeS spinnyspinlock@infosec.exchange

                                          @GossiTheDog I became used to checking projects I am checking out for claude (etc) in the source files and commits really fast

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                                          #46

                                          @spinnyspinlock@infosec.exchange @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social If github lists claude (or other LLMs) as one of the top contributors I consider that a red flag

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