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  • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

    Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

    What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

    Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

    (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

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    #14

    @Edent I'd use `<blockquote>` with `<cite>` element or `<q>` for inline citation. For machine readable metadata I'd probably use `Quotation` type from Schema.org with `spokenByCharacter`, although I don't like classifying an LLM output as a creative work

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    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

      Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

      What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

      Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

      (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

      lmpnsl@openbiblio.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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      #15

      @Edent

      A dedicated <meta> tag or a custom attribute could be used to prevent repurposing existing HTML semantics like lang or output. This avoids ambiguity (e.g., lang="ai" isn’t valid) and doesn’t misrepresent the AI as an "author" (since it’s a tool, not a creator with intent).

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      • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

        Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

        What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

        Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

        (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

        yoasif@mastodon.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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        #16

        @Edent I wouldn't have thought to add metadata to identify it separately from my own work.

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        • ezellagarnie@openbiblio.socialE ezellagarnie@openbiblio.social

          @Edent
          I voted for the Schema Option, but i would use Dublin Core, especially the Creator Element https://www.dublincore.org/specifications/dublin-core/dcmi-terms/terms/creator/ , as Metadata Schema.

          #DC #DublinCore #Metadata

          blogdiva@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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          #17

          i chose other because:

          1. please, do NOT set “ai” as a language. it isn’t.

          2. stochastic parrots are taking someone’s work and regurgitating it as their own, so there are two possibilities:

          provenance
          https://www.dublincore.org/specifications/dublin-core/dcmi-terms/#provenance

          or

          source
          https://www.dublincore.org/specifications/dublin-core/dcmi-terms/#source

          3. BUT! the problem with the stochastic parrots is that they are copying without attribution. so, from the two choices we have, i think "provenance" is the more accurate one.

          4. AI ≠ human ∴ ≠ author

          @EzellaGarnie @Edent

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          • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

            Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

            What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

            Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

            (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

            edavies@functional.cafeE This user is from outside of this forum
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            #18

            @Edent No opinions other than a strong one that it should not be the “lang="ai"” version. “ai” isn't an appropriate ISO 639 language code which is what a lang attribute with this syntax should be.

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            • blogdiva@mastodon.socialB blogdiva@mastodon.social

              i chose other because:

              1. please, do NOT set “ai” as a language. it isn’t.

              2. stochastic parrots are taking someone’s work and regurgitating it as their own, so there are two possibilities:

              provenance
              https://www.dublincore.org/specifications/dublin-core/dcmi-terms/#provenance

              or

              source
              https://www.dublincore.org/specifications/dublin-core/dcmi-terms/#source

              3. BUT! the problem with the stochastic parrots is that they are copying without attribution. so, from the two choices we have, i think "provenance" is the more accurate one.

              4. AI ≠ human ∴ ≠ author

              @EzellaGarnie @Edent

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              #19

              BTW given the numerous reports of the proprietary LLMs changing answers, i would add a DATE property and timestamp it down to the minute.

              @EzellaGarnie @Edent

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              • lmpnsl@openbiblio.socialL lmpnsl@openbiblio.social

                @Edent

                A dedicated <meta> tag or a custom attribute could be used to prevent repurposing existing HTML semantics like lang or output. This avoids ambiguity (e.g., lang="ai" isn’t valid) and doesn’t misrepresent the AI as an "author" (since it’s a tool, not a creator with intent).

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                #20

                the LLM isnt a language. it’s taking in info from elsewhere and giving it to you. in that sense, it’s a provenance if the LLM isn’t giving the source of their answer.

                and FWIW: in USA only humans are recognized as authors. you do NOT want to take the techbros bait of claiming their proprietary software is the real author of your work.

                imagine Microsoft claiming copyright over your labor because you used MSOffice or Github?

                that’s why metadata is so important.

                @lmpnsl @Edent

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                • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                  Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                  What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                  Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                  (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

                  neilk@xoxo.zoneN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #21

                  @Edent

                  lang attribute is for human languages. ai is not a language. Also it just looks like the common mistake of putting a country code there (Anguilla)

                  output is for interactive elements like a calculator.

                  schema + itemprop: maybe! but I don’t see a clear standard yet. IPTC has metadata for gen AI images, not text

                  If entire doc is gen AI: JSON-LD for entire doc can indicate author, and even entity type = Person, so in theory something else can go there?

                  Why do you feel you need this?

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                  • neilk@xoxo.zoneN neilk@xoxo.zone

                    @Edent

                    lang attribute is for human languages. ai is not a language. Also it just looks like the common mistake of putting a country code there (Anguilla)

                    output is for interactive elements like a calculator.

                    schema + itemprop: maybe! but I don’t see a clear standard yet. IPTC has metadata for gen AI images, not text

                    If entire doc is gen AI: JSON-LD for entire doc can indicate author, and even entity type = Person, so in theory something else can go there?

                    Why do you feel you need this?

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                    #22

                    @Edent To clarify my question: we don’t generally use HTML to indicate authorship of a textual element on the page, whether human or machine. There are whole document standards. What purpose does it serve to call this out?

                    If you are quoting the LLM, there is a microformat for Quotation. Unfortunately the only valid authors are of type “Person” or “Organization”. I guess you could hack it and put another value there, no one will send you to jail

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                    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                      Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                      What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                      Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                      (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

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                      #23

                      @Edent I think the language attribute can’t be right: it’s not a language. And LLM output could be in any language, so that would prevent the ability to correctly indicate the actual language.

                      I would also disagree with the schema option (3); an LLM is not an author but a tool used by some other author.

                      Out of these three then I’d choose option 2, output element; but I don’t have a strong opinion in its favour or whether there’s a better alternative, more just a process of elimination.

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                      • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                        Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                        What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                        Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                        (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

                        lnsy_dev@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #24

                        @Edent I thought of a custom html tag that would prevent copying (lol) like: <ai-generated model="model name" date="date here" prompt="prompt to generate text">text here</ai-generated>

                        We could implement this now in validating html using the custom HTML elements api

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                        • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                          Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                          What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                          Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                          (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

                          khleedril@cyberplace.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #25

                          @Edent CSS:

                          #ai, .ai { background-color: black; color: black; }

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                          • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                            Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                            What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                            Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                            (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

                            kleisli@mastodon.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #26

                            @Edent I don't think the organisation behind a model (OpenAI) or the model family (chatgpt) should be named, it should just be more generic: "llm", "ai" or "generated".

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                            • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                              Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                              What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                              Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                              (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

                              se_davidobrien@mastodon.scotS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #27

                              <meta name="AI" content="true"> <!-- Or false -->

                              You could add partial or complete attributes to the spec.

                              @Edent

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                              • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                                Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                                What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                                Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                                (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

                                ramsey@phpc.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #28

                                @Edent “ai” isn’t a valid locale, so I wouldn’t use it for a language attribute.

                                <output> seems to have specific semantics that don’t fit.

                                I voted for the Schema option.

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                                • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                                  Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                                  What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                                  Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                                  (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

                                  bartknubben@mastodon.nlB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #29

                                  @Edent Maybe <meta name="author" content="AI"> when all content of a web page is AI generated…

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                                  • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                                    Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                                    What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                                    Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                                    (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

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                                    #30

                                    @Edent I would blockquote it, and have a special class for it with visibly different formatting, perhaps a monospace font as well to emphasize the robot-ness of it.

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                                    • edent@mastodon.socialE edent@mastodon.social

                                      Suppose you wanted to publish some LLM generated text on your website. (Perhaps to critique it, or praise it, whatever.)

                                      What metadata would you use to indicate that it was AI generated?

                                      Which of these examples is closest to your ideal?

                                      (No need to reply telling me your insights on AI, thanks. I'm just interested in how you think it should be rendered in HTML.)

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                                      #31

                                      @Edent

                                      Comic Sans has entered the chat

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