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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

    Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

    RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

    (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

    axeln@norden.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #6

    @cstross Not to put a too fine point on that, but people in iron lungs also don’t breed easily.

    Pure eugenics.

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

      Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

      RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

      (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

      remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #7

      @cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.

      My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.

      It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...

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      • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

        @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

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        #8

        @Infoseepage
        Tempting to advise a more permanent placement.

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        • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

          @cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.

          My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.

          It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...

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          #9

          @cstross
          But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

          But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

          Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

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          • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

            @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

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            #10

            @cstross Here is one I know the story of personally. It is my great aunt who died shortly before turning three of a long and torturous bout of measles that left her sick and in bed for three months before succumbing. My great grandma was pregnant with my grandmother at the time and was so deeply depressed after her daughter's death that my great grandfather built a casket for her to be ready.

            https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/196273415/may-b-larson

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

              Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

              RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

              (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

              gbargoud@masto.nycG This user is from outside of this forum
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              #11

              @cstross

              I have this picture saved to my phone for just that reason

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              • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                @cstross Here is one I know the story of personally. It is my great aunt who died shortly before turning three of a long and torturous bout of measles that left her sick and in bed for three months before succumbing. My great grandma was pregnant with my grandmother at the time and was so deeply depressed after her daughter's death that my great grandfather built a casket for her to be ready.

                https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/196273415/may-b-larson

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                #12

                @cstross The depression lingered for years and my grandmother had to be nursed and brought up by others in the family. Mae only got a foot stone, but others received less. Search Larson for that cemetery and see how many are simply listed as baby boy or baby girl Larson. The choice is between vaccination or caskets. It is that stark.

                https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/196273415/may-b-larson

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                • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                  @cstross
                  But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

                  But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

                  Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

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                  #13

                  @cstross And as a strange aside, because of course suicide is prohibited in the Catholic religion, she was buried in consecrated ground because the priest argued that the removal of the brace was not suicidal. That if God had wanted her to keep on breathing, she would have.

                  Humans have been fucked up since forever.

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                  • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                    @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

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                    #14

                    @Infoseepage
                    Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves

                    @cstross

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                      Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                      RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                      (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                      #15

                      @cstross We improve with education. Our breed is HUMAN. UGH!!! People can be so evil! We are one species, on race.

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                        Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                        RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                        (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                        sdarlington@mas.toS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #16

                        @cstross …and infant mortality is already much higher in the US than in any other comparable country.

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                        • suzannealdrich@hachyderm.ioS suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io

                          @Infoseepage
                          Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves

                          @cstross

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                          #17

                          @suzannealdrich @cstross Oh, I could continue to share stories about ancestors who died from contagious diseases for hours.

                          One of my great grandfathers who caught the Spanish Flu died of it and he was in his twenties and the very picture of health. Was the captain of his basketball team and played several other sports as well. He looked like an Olympic athlete. Didn't save him.

                          This idea of just letting disease run wild to somehow produce a race of supermen is just bonkers.

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                          • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                            @cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.

                            My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.

                            It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...

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                            #18

                            @Remittancegirl @cstross When I was about … I want to say 6? … I had to go to the hospital in Edmonton. I got to see the polio ward and its rack upon rack of quiet iron lungs.

                            Except for the two that still had inhabitants.

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                              Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                              RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                              (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                              #19

                              @cstross pure fascist #eugenics! And the horror: He has a lot of fans in Europe, too!

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                              • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                                @suzannealdrich @cstross Oh, I could continue to share stories about ancestors who died from contagious diseases for hours.

                                One of my great grandfathers who caught the Spanish Flu died of it and he was in his twenties and the very picture of health. Was the captain of his basketball team and played several other sports as well. He looked like an Olympic athlete. Didn't save him.

                                This idea of just letting disease run wild to somehow produce a race of supermen is just bonkers.

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                                #20

                                @Infoseepage
                                God it just makes me so sick, the thought of these monsters preventing people, or even discouraging them, from vaccinating themselves and their children from PREVENTABLE DISEASES that we already HAVE THE VACCINES FOR. The one job they should have, the ONE thing we should INSIST on, from ANY public figure, is the OBLIGATION on a free and lawful society to PREVENT HARM or RISK OF HARM to OTHERS. Full stop. Period. That is it. And by harm I mean REAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN, not imaginary SHIT THAT AIN’T REAL. As SOON as anyone, and I mean ANYONE; says a RUCKING BREATH about vaccines, we all need to immediately stop anyone from saying that bullshit, and just say, simply and out loud so anyone can hear you from outside your circle, “vaccines cause adults, and I’m so glad to be alive because of them.” The end. Full stop. no disassembling. and just call out the anti reality slop that anyone tries to pull, immediately, interrupt them and don’t be polite or let them finish their bullshit poisonous toxic bad opinion as garbage misinformation that will get as all killed period. See? It’s easy. Call it out don’t accept the death-causing lies. You need to have a boundary and this is an easy one to draw, for the health and safety of humanity, lol
                                @cstross

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                                • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                                  @cstross And as a strange aside, because of course suicide is prohibited in the Catholic religion, she was buried in consecrated ground because the priest argued that the removal of the brace was not suicidal. That if God had wanted her to keep on breathing, she would have.

                                  Humans have been fucked up since forever.

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                                  #21

                                  @Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.

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                                  • arafel@mas.toA arafel@mas.to

                                    @Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.

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                                    #22

                                    @arafel He definitely helped her parents - who were devoutly Catholic and frantic about the state of her immortal soul. @cstross

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                                    • bjn@mstdn.socialB bjn@mstdn.social

                                      @cstross @lauren They could just go full Spartan and leave new borns out overnight so that only the “strongest” survive.

                                      (Note, this is not a good idea on so many levels).

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                                      #23

                                      @bjn @cstross @lauren It's not, but I'm starting to think that the proponents of "stop vaccinating, natural selection!" should be left in a wilderness area for a week or two, on their own, with whatever tools they can make. Natural selection, right?

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                                      • arafel@mas.toA arafel@mas.to

                                        @bjn @cstross @lauren It's not, but I'm starting to think that the proponents of "stop vaccinating, natural selection!" should be left in a wilderness area for a week or two, on their own, with whatever tools they can make. Natural selection, right?

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                                        #24

                                        @arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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                                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                          @arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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                                          #25

                                          @cstross @bjn @lauren Well, ideally, yes. But I'm not a perfectionist, no need to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Areas densely populated by black bears would work just as well. Or even polar bears, if we're going for neutral territory to avoid favouritism.

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