RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
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@cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.
@cstross Here is one I know the story of personally. It is my great aunt who died shortly before turning three of a long and torturous bout of measles that left her sick and in bed for three months before succumbing. My great grandma was pregnant with my grandmother at the time and was so deeply depressed after her daughter's death that my great grandfather built a casket for her to be ready.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
I have this picture saved to my phone for just that reason
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@cstross Here is one I know the story of personally. It is my great aunt who died shortly before turning three of a long and torturous bout of measles that left her sick and in bed for three months before succumbing. My great grandma was pregnant with my grandmother at the time and was so deeply depressed after her daughter's death that my great grandfather built a casket for her to be ready.
@cstross The depression lingered for years and my grandmother had to be nursed and brought up by others in the family. Mae only got a foot stone, but others received less. Search Larson for that cemetery and see how many are simply listed as baby boy or baby girl Larson. The choice is between vaccination or caskets. It is that stark.
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@cstross
But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.
Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.
@cstross And as a strange aside, because of course suicide is prohibited in the Catholic religion, she was buried in consecrated ground because the priest argued that the removal of the brace was not suicidal. That if God had wanted her to keep on breathing, she would have.
Humans have been fucked up since forever.
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@cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.
@Infoseepage
Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves -
RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
@cstross We improve with education. Our breed is HUMAN. UGH!!! People can be so evil! We are one species, on race.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
@cstross …and infant mortality is already much higher in the US than in any other comparable country.
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@Infoseepage
Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves@suzannealdrich @cstross Oh, I could continue to share stories about ancestors who died from contagious diseases for hours.
One of my great grandfathers who caught the Spanish Flu died of it and he was in his twenties and the very picture of health. Was the captain of his basketball team and played several other sports as well. He looked like an Olympic athlete. Didn't save him.
This idea of just letting disease run wild to somehow produce a race of supermen is just bonkers.
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@cstross When I was growing up in Madrid in the late 60s, there were still lots of very young people around who had contracted and were scarred for life from polio.
My friend was about 3 years older than me. She had contracted polio at the age of 5. It had attacked her spine, and she had to wear a metal brace 24/7 around her torso and chest to keep her upright so her body wouldn't double over and suffocate her by collapsing her lungs.
It was incredibly painful. She moved slowly and jerkily...
@Remittancegirl @cstross When I was about … I want to say 6? … I had to go to the hospital in Edmonton. I got to see the polio ward and its rack upon rack of quiet iron lungs.
Except for the two that still had inhabitants.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
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@suzannealdrich @cstross Oh, I could continue to share stories about ancestors who died from contagious diseases for hours.
One of my great grandfathers who caught the Spanish Flu died of it and he was in his twenties and the very picture of health. Was the captain of his basketball team and played several other sports as well. He looked like an Olympic athlete. Didn't save him.
This idea of just letting disease run wild to somehow produce a race of supermen is just bonkers.
@Infoseepage
God it just makes me so sick, the thought of these monsters preventing people, or even discouraging them, from vaccinating themselves and their children from PREVENTABLE DISEASES that we already HAVE THE VACCINES FOR. The one job they should have, the ONE thing we should INSIST on, from ANY public figure, is the OBLIGATION on a free and lawful society to PREVENT HARM or RISK OF HARM to OTHERS. Full stop. Period. That is it. And by harm I mean REAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN, not imaginary SHIT THAT AIN’T REAL. As SOON as anyone, and I mean ANYONE; says a RUCKING BREATH about vaccines, we all need to immediately stop anyone from saying that bullshit, and just say, simply and out loud so anyone can hear you from outside your circle, “vaccines cause adults, and I’m so glad to be alive because of them.” The end. Full stop. no disassembling. and just call out the anti reality slop that anyone tries to pull, immediately, interrupt them and don’t be polite or let them finish their bullshit poisonous toxic bad opinion as garbage misinformation that will get as all killed period. See? It’s easy. Call it out don’t accept the death-causing lies. You need to have a boundary and this is an easy one to draw, for the health and safety of humanity, lol
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@cstross And as a strange aside, because of course suicide is prohibited in the Catholic religion, she was buried in consecrated ground because the priest argued that the removal of the brace was not suicidal. That if God had wanted her to keep on breathing, she would have.
Humans have been fucked up since forever.
@Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.
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@Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
@cstross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Alexander_(polio_survivor)
Considering he died not that long ago means there are polio survivors probably still floating around, so it isn’t that long ago polio was killing people. I also remember my mom talking about her mom taking them and standing in line for the vaccine when it came out because she knew how deadly it was.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
@cstross Trump is already the most prolific mass-murderer in history. They should give him an award. Something like a golden swaztika.
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RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664
Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).
RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.
(Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)
There would be more kids left disabled or permanently harmed from these diseases, even if they did survive.
I've heard these 'common sense' views before but they're unscientific - the immune system doesn't get stronger from exposure to disease. It doesn't need to be exercised.
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