Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
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@Pepijn @europeanspodcast Moomin is a thing in all of Scandinavia as well and has been since I was little.
@MThaastrup Could it be a somewhat "pillarised" thing? When Moomins was discussed only one of my Danish colleagues (30 to 65yr olds) in Silkeborg had heard of it.
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@CarstenBoll Nuanced really. I like the idea but then watched some episodes of the cartoon and thought they were boring.
Our toddler has no interest in screens but I'm now curious if they'd like it as a book.
I liked the idea, seemed fun, but I agree that the actual cartoon is boring. But I suppose I am not really the target audience.
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Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
In the Netherlands Dikkie Dik is famous. With the exception of Flemish Belgium he's unknown elsewhere.
Moomin are big in Finland. Mostly a novelty outside.
Czech Krtek was exported but outside of its native lands primarily became "that Czech mole".
Etc.
@europeanspodcast exploring peculiarities of #european local characters might make for a fun episode.
@Pepijn @europeanspodcast I would say that they are highly dependent on the distribution channels because of the absolute need for translation. For example, Dog Man is popular in the Netherlands and in Québec but is almost unknown in France. Pat a Mat is Czech and very popular in NL and unknown in FR. On the other hand, many Japanese franchises have been translated into French and are less known in the Netherlands.
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@MThaastrup Could it be a somewhat "pillarised" thing? When Moomins was discussed only one of my Danish colleagues (30 to 65yr olds) in Silkeborg had heard of it.
@Pepijn @MThaastrup @europeanspodcast
That's very surprising to me, I'd expect everyone to know the moomins.
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Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
In the Netherlands Dikkie Dik is famous. With the exception of Flemish Belgium he's unknown elsewhere.
Moomin are big in Finland. Mostly a novelty outside.
Czech Krtek was exported but outside of its native lands primarily became "that Czech mole".
Etc.
@europeanspodcast exploring peculiarities of #european local characters might make for a fun episode.
Ok. I get it, Moomin wasn't the best example due to the TV show.
I purposely said young kids* btw. And thus stuff that's primarily NOT tv based.
*for young teenagers this actually seems even more localised. Naturally there's the big English-in-origin stuff like Harry Potter and the Roald Dahl stories but at least in the countries I know local stuff is king.
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Ok. I get it, Moomin wasn't the best example due to the TV show.
I purposely said young kids* btw. And thus stuff that's primarily NOT tv based.
*for young teenagers this actually seems even more localised. Naturally there's the big English-in-origin stuff like Harry Potter and the Roald Dahl stories but at least in the countries I know local stuff is king.
@Pepijn In France there’s a lot of translated stuff: Paw Patrol, Toy Story, Despicable Me, all the Disney and Marvel franchises, the Studio Ghibli films… And a lot of children’s books in bookshops and libraries are translations, mostly from English, plus a ton of mangas translated from Japanese. There’s quite a lot of home-grown stuff, too, especially graphic novels.
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@Pepijn i can think of more successful children's things than i can grown-up things
tintin, pingu, bluey, moomins(!), astérix, peppa pig.
for non-english grown-up shows i can only really think of montalbano, engrenages and the bridge. and they're pretty niche (and all about detectives? why are they all about detectives?). i think the language/culture barrier matters much more for adults
@bovine3dom La Casa de Papel and Squid Games both became fairly popular as non-English shows, no?
For kids stuff I don't think Jip and Janneke or Alfred Jodocus Kwak really made it out of the Netherlands. But Nijntje definitely did! Fwiw, my bed sheets as a kid were Nils Holgersson, which is originally Swedish. I don't know if it was actually well known in the Netherlands or just a quirk of what we had in the house.
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Ok. I get it, Moomin wasn't the best example due to the TV show.
I purposely said young kids* btw. And thus stuff that's primarily NOT tv based.
*for young teenagers this actually seems even more localised. Naturally there's the big English-in-origin stuff like Harry Potter and the Roald Dahl stories but at least in the countries I know local stuff is king.
@Pepijn When I grew up here in Norway our biggest influences were from Czechia and other soviet-bloc countries plus Sweden and the Moomins from Finland (the old puppet-animations show).
Nowadays my kids got treated to a decent dose of Astrid Lindgren in Swedish along with the whole Disnay and Ghibli catalogue.
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Ok. I get it, Moomin wasn't the best example due to the TV show.
I purposely said young kids* btw. And thus stuff that's primarily NOT tv based.
*for young teenagers this actually seems even more localised. Naturally there's the big English-in-origin stuff like Harry Potter and the Roald Dahl stories but at least in the countries I know local stuff is king.
@Pepijn We consider Roald Dahl as Norwegian since his family was from here and everything is published in Norwegian.
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Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
In the Netherlands Dikkie Dik is famous. With the exception of Flemish Belgium he's unknown elsewhere.
Moomin are big in Finland. Mostly a novelty outside.
Czech Krtek was exported but outside of its native lands primarily became "that Czech mole".
Etc.
@europeanspodcast exploring peculiarities of #european local characters might make for a fun episode.
@Pepijn @europeanspodcast nijntje is massive in Japan and I think it has also has a foothold in the US. I don’t think it is very well known in other countries in Europe though
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Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
In the Netherlands Dikkie Dik is famous. With the exception of Flemish Belgium he's unknown elsewhere.
Moomin are big in Finland. Mostly a novelty outside.
Czech Krtek was exported but outside of its native lands primarily became "that Czech mole".
Etc.
@europeanspodcast exploring peculiarities of #european local characters might make for a fun episode.
@Pepijn @europeanspodcast I think your hypothesis is correct, but with the Moomins and Krtek you've picked two exceptions as examples
That said, I have not the slightest idea who Dikkie Dik is. I know about Jip en Janneke but only because of personal contact to someone who grew up in NL.
I am curious if you know about "Die Maus", from "Die Sendung mit der Maus" (lit. "The TV Programme with the Mouse"). It is one of the most succesful franchises for kids in Germany.
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@Pepijn @europeanspodcast I think your hypothesis is correct, but with the Moomins and Krtek you've picked two exceptions as examples
That said, I have not the slightest idea who Dikkie Dik is. I know about Jip en Janneke but only because of personal contact to someone who grew up in NL.
I am curious if you know about "Die Maus", from "Die Sendung mit der Maus" (lit. "The TV Programme with the Mouse"). It is one of the most succesful franchises for kids in Germany.
@geeeero Moomins apparently are (although I have personally rarely seen their books in stores outside of Finland and Sweden).
I do wonder about Krtek. It seems to be somewhat country specific and then only as a TV show and not as a real thing kids have around them in books or plushly form etc.
"Die Maus", new to me. Don't remember ever seeing this before. Certainly not as a kid.
The elephant reminds me of Éléphant Bleu (French car wash chain..)!
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Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
In the Netherlands Dikkie Dik is famous. With the exception of Flemish Belgium he's unknown elsewhere.
Moomin are big in Finland. Mostly a novelty outside.
Czech Krtek was exported but outside of its native lands primarily became "that Czech mole".
Etc.
@europeanspodcast exploring peculiarities of #european local characters might make for a fun episode.
@Pepijn @europeanspodcast buurman en buurman is also quite international (or at least exported well into Netherlands from Czechia)
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@geeeero Moomins apparently are (although I have personally rarely seen their books in stores outside of Finland and Sweden).
I do wonder about Krtek. It seems to be somewhat country specific and then only as a TV show and not as a real thing kids have around them in books or plushly form etc.
"Die Maus", new to me. Don't remember ever seeing this before. Certainly not as a kid.
The elephant reminds me of Éléphant Bleu (French car wash chain..)!
@Pepijn @europeanspodcast Well, about Krtek...
It might well be that Krtek was introduced to Germany via the Maus TV programme. I remember watching Krtek animated clips within Sendung mit der Maus as a kid. The programme is basically a mixture of animated series and clips explaining all sorts of things, among which famously visits to factories showing how things in our everyday life are being made, which is very interesting for kids and adults alike.
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@Pepijn @europeanspodcast Well, about Krtek...
It might well be that Krtek was introduced to Germany via the Maus TV programme. I remember watching Krtek animated clips within Sendung mit der Maus as a kid. The programme is basically a mixture of animated series and clips explaining all sorts of things, among which famously visits to factories showing how things in our everyday life are being made, which is very interesting for kids and adults alike.
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Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
In the Netherlands Dikkie Dik is famous. With the exception of Flemish Belgium he's unknown elsewhere.
Moomin are big in Finland. Mostly a novelty outside.
Czech Krtek was exported but outside of its native lands primarily became "that Czech mole".
Etc.
@europeanspodcast exploring peculiarities of #european local characters might make for a fun episode.
@Pepijn I feel like little kids are more accepting of stuff (books, TV) from other cultures. My eldest liked this odd British kid show while my youngest fell in love with a South Korean one. Paw Patrol is Canadian, but has managed to gain worldwide popularity so maybe it's just different here in Canada.
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@MThaastrup Could it be a somewhat "pillarised" thing? When Moomins was discussed only one of my Danish colleagues (30 to 65yr olds) in Silkeborg had heard of it.
@Pepijn @europeanspodcast That's REALLY surprising and unusual. Maybe they just didn't know the English word??
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Am I correct in thinking home-grown young children "franchises" are an example of cultural products that don't easily cross borders?
In the Netherlands Dikkie Dik is famous. With the exception of Flemish Belgium he's unknown elsewhere.
Moomin are big in Finland. Mostly a novelty outside.
Czech Krtek was exported but outside of its native lands primarily became "that Czech mole".
Etc.
@europeanspodcast exploring peculiarities of #european local characters might make for a fun episode.
@Pepijn
Many things stay local. I don't think Bamse & Kylling ever traveled beyond Denmark (except perhaps a little to the rest of Scandinavia?)
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